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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by jeffbee on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:16PM (#24231290)
This is what we call "revealed preference". It doesn't really matter what ten thousand Uber drivers have told you (and some of the supposed first-hand field surveying claimed in this discussion stretches belief). The only thing that matters in the end is how the participants in the market actually behave.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Zak on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:15PM (#24238466)
I think what's happening here is the defined categories don't adequately model reality. An Uber driver is somewhere between the current legal categories of employee and independent contractor.

A fully independent contractor like a SuperShuttle driver can treat each fare as a separate contract, pick only the best offers, and generally not provide the company an adequate service level to ensure a reliable stream of customers. Each driver prioritizing their short-term interests keeps that model from being a viable profession in many cases.

On the other hand, an employer is required to provide certain benefits to employees, especially if they exceed certain thresholds of hours worked. To make the fixed cost of some of those benefits viable, the employer will usually want to require the employee to work specific hours, and often limits those hours to stay within legal thresholds.

It's the flexibility of scheduling I that I think attracts people to gig work. They'll take the ability to cherry-pick the most profitable gigs if given the chance, but it isn't a core requirement.

It's probably desirable to add a third category to provide gig workers some protections without shoehorning them into the employee classification, which many of them actively wish to avoid.

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by toddmclaughlin on Sunday August 23, 2020 @12:03AM (#24249419)
Very well said. Gig workers are in that nebulous, legally undefined category between employees and contractors.
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Nydhal on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:49AM (#24232954)
Actions > Words.

Such a simple concept yet many ignore it. Nowadays it's trendy to call such concepts "mental models".

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by SQueeeeeL on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:44PM (#24238206)
True! I use this concept a lot when arguing with people about minimum wage! I think those single Mom's should be happy to have a job, not complaining they can't pay rent! Like they can just learn to code if they don't want to make min wage
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by BoorishBears on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:31PM (#24239556)
I can't tell if this is a joke or someone incredibly out of touch with the reality of poverty (this being HN, there are enough people who fall in the latter group to make it unclear)
Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by SQueeeeeL on Saturday August 22, 2020 @09:35AM (#24244025)
It's a joke, I'm glad taking "Actions > Words" to it's logical conclusion seemed like someone's real opinion, really tells you about the type of people that frequent this site