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Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by DaiPlusPlus on Thursday August 20, 2020 @06:26PM (#24229748)
I don’t have a practical choice to use iOS: my extended family uses FaceTime and iMessage instead of WhatsApp and Skype for example - and my company develops for iOS-first as well.

If Apple made-good on Steve Jobs’ promise to make FaceTime an open standard and I could use it from Android devices and and PC then your argument would be stronger.

Apple put us in an unfortunate position where the strength of the iOS ecosystem means that many of us don’t have a choice in phone platform to buy into - which in turn opens us up to being exploited by their App Store practices.

Point is - I feel like I’m being dicked-over by Apple and the alternatives are just not feasible. Responses like “Just buy two phones lol” or “you still have a choice to use Android and not talk with your family at all” aren’t helpful or productive.

I’m sure the same arguments would have been made with Standard Oil when anti-trust law wasn’t on the books yet: arguably consumers and companies still had a choice to not use oil: they could use coal or natural-gas. People have a choice to drive a car or they could walk or ride a horse or take a train... hopefully you see why your argument is seen as being made in bad faith. We have a choice, yes - but it isn’t a free choice. We are being coerced into making a choice by our circumstances and Apple is taking an unreasonably unfair advantage of that.

Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by scarface74 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:15PM (#24230521)
Apple put us in an unfortunate position where the strength of the iOS ecosystem means that many of us don’t have a choice in phone platform to buy into - which in turn opens us up to being exploited by their App Store practices.

You don’t lay any of the blame on Google’s inability you convince people that their phones are worth buying when you can afford to do otherwise?

Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by DaiPlusPlus on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:59PM (#24230807)
I can't use Android. Google literally cannot have their Android phones be able to make FaceTime calls or send/receive iMessages because Apple won't let them.

How is any of that Google's fault? That's Apple entrenching their platform lock-in in a way that ultimately harms customers.

What you said can be applied to any other situation where a de-jure choice exists even when a de-facto choice does not:

> You don’t lay any of the blame on Netscape's inability to convince people that their Navigator browser is worth buying when you can afford to do otherwise?

Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by scarface74 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:48PM (#24231130)
Google however has tried a half dozen times to create a messenger app sometimes more than one at a same time. Why couldn’t Google succeed? Incompetence? Apple allows third parties to have tight integration with the native dialer and contact apps.

What you said can be applied to any other situation where a de-jure choice exists even when a de-facto choice does not:

Google in fact was able to overtake IE on Windows so thoroughly that MS gave up and is now using Google’s engine.

Google Maps is quite popular on iOS devices.

Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by bryan_w on Friday August 21, 2020 @11:08AM (#24235518)
Apple app store policies prevents reading SMS messages which means it will never have the green bubble/blue bubble functionality of imessage
Re:Fortnite’s battle with Apple and Google could have an imp... by scarface74 on Friday August 21, 2020 @11:19AM (#24235602)
What could possible go wrong with letting third parties reading text messages?

There are dozens of other messaging clients on iPhones. Outside of the US, most people don’t even use iMessage. Now people are complaining that they can’t convince their friend circle to use alternate messaging apps.

This is again partially due to Google’s incompetence. They can’t even convince Android users to use their messaging apps.