Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge grants emergency stay

Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by mehrdadn on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:38PM (#24228646)

> Let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform.

Does the model of IC have to imply that every ride is a new, independent contract? Is there no other reasonable model in which multiple rides are part of one contract? Why?

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by wtallis on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:02PM (#24228922)

What would such a contract look like? How would Uber or Lyft hold up their end of a N-ride contract if they don't end up having enough riders that day?

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by mehrdadn on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:11PM (#24229034)

> What would such a contract look like?

The obvious answer: perhaps more similar to the way it looks like right now? I just don't see why IC implies "let them decline rides without facing penalties by the platform".

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by kelnos on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:43PM (#24229379)

I don't think it directly implies that, but I think many of the policies in place chip away at things that should be a part of an IC's experience. Imposing penalties from declining rides means that their power to set rates is reduced.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by ttymck on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:04PM (#24228945)

What does the alternative look like? A contract for 10 rides? A contract for one week at a time? What if the driver wants to serve one ride, and then never again: what contract models allow that single ride to fulfill a "contract"?

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by Swizec on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:08PM (#24228994)

The alternative is traditionally called a retainer. You hire the contractor for “various tasks over a set period of time up to N tasks and at least M tasks”

This is the indie version of being salaried. Very common among software engineers, for example.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by fooker on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:19PM (#24229115)

Contracts can be pretty arbitrary. "Independent contractor -- except can't turn down a ride."

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by ng12 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @06:44PM (#24229889)

Great, next time I take a consulting gig I'll be sure to turn down the jira tickets I don't want to do.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by CarbyAu on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:34PM (#24231695)

If you were to have a separate contract for every Jira ticket that would be your call to make. Unusual, but fine.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by prepend on Friday August 21, 2020 @07:42AM (#24234019)

First, Uber doesn’t have separate contracts for every ride.

If a contractor had a contract to accept or decline every jira ticket (although I don’t see anyone ever forming that contract), if they declines too many tickets they would no longer have the option to pick.

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Re:Uber and Lyft shutdown in California averted as judge gra... by SubuSS on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:43AM (#24234397)

Could this be simply solved by having their star rating influenced by % ride drops? Uber can provide its price estimate as just that - a kelly blue book value so that riders can compare and contrast?

Most customers will search for a range of rating + price - so the market can regulate itself. I mean we accept amazon displaying user ratings - so I don't know why this won't work.

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