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Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by x3n0ph3n3 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:43PM (#24225175)
The State of California doesn't care about workers, they care about the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars they want from payroll and unemployment taxes, in addition to revenue from automatic withholdings for people whom would otherwise be below the reporting limit.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by compycom on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:53PM (#24225376)
I think it's reasonable for a government to crack down on businesses where the entire operational structure is designed to subvert that government's tax code and regulations.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by agentdrtran on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:55PM (#24225409)
I swear people forget how Uber got popular in the first place.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by BadassFractal on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:40PM (#24226901)
By providing a service that was more convenient, safer and affordable than the alternatives protected by regulatory rent-seeking.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by matmann2001 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:39PM (#24227799)
Playing devil's advocate here, but how do you think they managed to make a more affordable solution? If you think it's entirely due to their technology, I'm afraid you'd be mistaken.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by BadassFractal on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:00PM (#24228107)
Not obvious, but entirely plausible. I'd be curious to see what a more sustainable pricing would look like on the consumer's end.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by matmann2001 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:04PM (#24228953)
More than plausible. The fact that Uber does not generate profit means they are effectively subsidizing rides with VC and IPO funds.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by AgloeDreams on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:53PM (#24227108)
Lol. Haha.

You mean, overcrowding a market with underpaid positions, sold with lies and marketing to make them sound better than they are, to force people with full time jobs out of work so that people could get a ride in a vehicle with no safety, security, (or originally) background verification while doing all they could to cheat regulations, driver and user privacy, tax laws, climate change, and eventually, now, rent-seek, to boost stock prices to pad Vegas parties and investor portfolios.

Modern ride sharing is not sustainable, environmentally friendly, or a 'job' and this doesn't exempt the bad behaviors by taxi companies, but understand this is the end destination of capitalism invading a regulated economy.

Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by x3n0ph3n3 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:34PM (#24225985)
Who do you think ends up paying that money? Uber/Lyft? Not a chance! This cost always gets passed down the the individuals in the form of smaller cuts of the pie.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by malandrew on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:39PM (#24226045)
SCOTUS came to a different conclusion in Gregory v Helvering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_v._Helvering

Government doesn't exist to collect taxes. They are there to provide governance. Taxes are a necessary evil that should be kept to a minimum to provide the service of governance.

If someone can come up with a legal operational structure that gets around taxes then that the government didn't do its job.

It's only easy to get around taxes when the taxes aren't closely tied to the service the government is providing. i.e. when you taxing one individual or business for a service provided to other individuals or businesses.

Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by compycom on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:06PM (#24226395)
> If someone can come up with a legal operational structure that gets around taxes then that the government didn't do its job.

Right, they passed a law, AB5, to better do that job.

Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by joshuamorton on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:17PM (#24226526)
Wait, the SC ruled in favor of the government in that case, overruling the district court.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by malandrew on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:22PM (#24226600)
"The legal right of a taxpayer to decrease the amount of what otherwise would be his taxes, or altogether avoid them, by means which the law permits, cannot be doubted."
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by joshuamorton on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:37PM (#24226849)
From the ruling that the SC upheld:

"To dodge the shareholders' taxes is not one of the transactions contemplated as corporate "reorganizations."

And from the SC ruling:

"The whole undertaking, though conducted according to the terms of [the statute], was in fact an elaborate and devious form of conveyance masquerading as a corporate reorganization, and nothing else. ... [T]he transaction upon its face lies outside the plain intent of the statute. To hold otherwise would be to exalt artifice above reality and to deprive the statutory provision in question of all serious purpose."

If there's no business purpose beyond tax avoidance, the government can indeed hold you to the higher tax rate. I don't think that's what happened here, i think there are legitimate non-tax reasons for Uber/Lyft's structure, but it's not a completely unreasonable take to disagree with that.

And even if not, the government is free to change the law to fix things, which it did.

Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by adrr on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:00PM (#24225506)
They care about the burden these employees put on the system when they get sick or injured which costs tax money. Most people don't use Uber or Lyft, why should they have to subsidize these companies.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by Daishiman on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:02PM (#24225534)
That sounds very good.
Re:Rideshare operations are being suspended in California by CPLX on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:51PM (#24225341)
Those things seem like reasonable things for a government to care about.