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Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by komali2 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:47PM (#24212539)
You deny the fact that at least 172,000 Americans have died from covid?
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by ReptileMan on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @12:52PM (#24212596)
No. Is that much for a nation of 333 000 000? People die all the time. Covid just frontloads some death for old people and ones with comorbirbidities.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by cmrx64 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:17PM (#24212964)
how is it that almost 6 months have passed and this same syllogism gets trotted out repeatedly? this is 1. factually incorrect, 2. morally reprehensible. everyone dies eventually and gets sick with something else someday. let’s just front load all the death into 2020 and get it done with forever, eh?
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by rurp on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:12PM (#24215669)
> Covid just frontloads some death for old people and ones with comorbirbidities.

Why bother treating any sick person if this is your position? The healthcare system would be a hell of a lot cheaper and easier if we just "frontloaded some death" for everyone who gets seriously ill.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by komali2 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:21PM (#24213053)
> Covid just frontloads some death for old people and ones with comorbirbidities

When the actions to prevent these people from dying, uh "just earlier than they would have," are as simple as wearing a mask and social distancing, it is unethical to not do so.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:25PM (#24213096)
I think it's pretty misleading to characterize "no going to the gym, ever, until further notice" as a simple action.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by komali2 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:00PM (#24213656)
Why? It's a pandemic. If anything we're lucky it wasn't more deadly than it is.

I'm not gaining muscle mass but I'm having absolutely no trouble whatsoever maintaining it at home with exercise bands and calisthenics. It's a tiny, tiny price to pay for helping keep my community safe.

I would sacrifice the gym for the rest of my life if it meant adding even a year of life to a single person. Sentient existence is immeasurably more valuable.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by SpicyLemonZest on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @02:12PM (#24213839)
I guess there's a values gap there I don't know how to bridge. I don't recognize the entire category of unbounded obligations to preserve life that you're suggesting.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by dublin on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:25PM (#24213099)
Yes, emphatically. The statistics clearly show that deaths from flu and other infectious diseases and lung conditions have dropped to nearly zero over the past several months. This doesn't pass the most basic smell test: People didn't stop dying from those things simply because of a new virus. The only reasonable conclusion is that those deaths were misattributed to the Wuhan virus because of political, economic, or other pressures.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by didibus on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:40PM (#24213329)
What are you talking about, here's the link to the CDC flu data: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-e...

It shows:

39,000,000 – 56,000,000 flu illnesses

18,000,000 – 26,000,000 flu medical visits

410,000 – 740,000 flu hospitalizations

24,000 – 62,000 flu deaths

Which is actually kind of on the higher side for the flu season. They attribute that most likely on the increased testing happening this year due to people getting tested for Covid.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by komali2 on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:57PM (#24213626)
The evidence doesn't support your, uh, "thesis."

Until you provide overwhelming evidence (because that's what you're up against), you're spreading misinformation.

Seems to me like you're speaking from a feelings position, rather than a facts one.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by gowld on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @01:31PM (#24213213)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States:

All causes: 174,930 - 235,728

All causes except COVID-19 : 29,416 - 78,932

> the Wuhan virus

Propaganda pro-tip: If you want people to trust you, suppress the obvious tells.