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Re:Web by Google (TM) by beagle3 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @09:58AM (#24177812)
That’s why we need a regulator. The old AT&T monopoly was dismantled. Based on talking to IBM insiders, IBM actively neutered itself fearing a similar fate in the late 1980s and early 1990s.

But then, with Bush Sr and then Clinton, the rules changed; Microsoft started playing the political game, and essentially avoided a similar fate.

There is no antitrust enforcement anymore. Breaking a company once indeed only buys a little time. But getting regulation workiNg again WILL work, and will likely include breaking them.

If only the US would vote in politicians that cared about competition. I can’t find any amongst either presidential or congressional candidates, though.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by AJ007 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @02:33PM (#24180020)
Google is both the most dominant it every has been and the most vulnerable it has ever been, at the same time.

From what we've seen with GPT-3, we can train one machine learning model by ingesting the entire scraped web and a whole lot of (online/offline?) books, and it can often produce correct answers to questions. The accuracy of those answers, presuming the questions are not subjective ones, is only going to increase. Google's status, as a search engine, in 2025 is not something I would bet money on.

The iOS/Safari thing is another issue, which perhaps other anti-trust regulators will address in Google's favor. Assuming they do not, consider that if Google stops paying Apple many billions of dollars a year and another company (or Apple) replaces the default iOS search, Google's search ad business will be severely and irreversibly damaged. Removing iOS defaults would not only remove a large chunk of Google's US mobile search traffic, it would be the more affluent chunk. Everyone who knows about marketplace dynamics knows how damaging that would be to Google if that inventory ended up with Microsoft or Facebook.

Even without regulatory intervention (which is almost 100% guaranteed at this point, barring some act of god, though I don't know how large that intervention will be) Google's days atop the mountain are certainly drawing to a close. Perhaps the ground has already given way, they know it, and the maniacal stupidity of trying to coral the web into some AMP graveyard is a reaction of desperation.

To address the original blog post, I think the author is way off the mark on video. Youtube is big, but far from the king. Google has repeatedly flopped on the social side, and isn't going to be allowed to buy TikTok. They don't appear to be taking any ground paid streaming services like Netflix or Amazon. They are big, but no where near as important relative to their dominance in search.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by thefreeman on Sunday August 16, 2020 @10:05PM (#24183172)
GPT-3 does not produce accurate answers to questions in any form. It produces realistic looking text in response to prompts. Sometimes that can look like it is answering questions but that is not the goal nor what it was built to do in any way.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by Lammy on Sunday August 16, 2020 @07:31PM (#24182305)
> The iOS/Safari thing is another issue, which perhaps other anti-trust regulators will address in Google's favor.

Hopefully those same anti-trust regulators also have statistics for browser market shares :)

Re:Web by Google (TM) by erklik on Sunday August 16, 2020 @07:47PM (#24182388)
> Youtube is big, but far from the king

What other alternatives are there for Youtube, that are even in the same region as Youtube?

Re:Web by Google (TM) by BlueTemplar on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:05AM (#24178388)
How would one even break up Google ? You can only shut it down (which would allow competitors to emerge again).
Re:Web by Google (TM) by jdietrich on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:44AM (#24178677)
Spin off the major parts of their business into genuinely separate companies - search, cloud compute, advertising, SaaS, Android and Chrome. With Google as a monolith, it's far too easy for them to bundle products and cross-subsidise unprofitable parts of their business to achieve dominance. Those independent companies can make deals that are mutually beneficial, but they'll have to answer to their shareholders and the FTC.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by why_only_15 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @01:41PM (#24179628)
Of all the tech companies people advocate breaking up Google is by far the most reasonable.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by stjohnswarts on Sunday August 16, 2020 @04:57PM (#24181228)
Yeah I'm not even sure how you would break up facebook, other than facebook/instagram . It would make you extremely unpopular if they forced FB to break up it's userbase into thirds or something as they'd all just flock to one third and it would just be the same thing again within a few months
Re:Web by Google (TM) by neckardt on Sunday August 16, 2020 @05:35PM (#24181549)
I think a more effective solution than a breakup would be requiring Facebook to interoperate with other social networks. We could force them to implement APIs which would let users from other platforms chat with and send posts to Facebook users. Imagine a tweet or a snap showing up in your Facebook feed, and vice versa. ActivityPub[0] is already a protocol which tries to solve this, but Facebook would never freely implement it because it would breach their walled garden. We might be able to regulate them into doing it.

[0]: https://activitypub.rocks/

Re:Web by Google (TM) by beagle3 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @06:46PM (#24182030)
As other suggested, forcing interoperability would go a long way (it should be noted that e.g. facebook messenger WAS interoperable when Facebook wasn't as large, but they stopped it when they became the leader).

Additionally, separate to instagram / facebook / whatsapp ; possibly also facebook social / facebook marketplace / facebook events ; They should have a level of access that others have. Imagine Yahoo users could subscribe to Facebook events without ever setting foot in facebook.com ... I know it sounds like science fiction, but it's possible. like email....

Re:Web by Google (TM) by bambax on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:44AM (#24178665)
You can break it up geographically. Advertising is still very local.

Or you could break up search / browser / advertising / mobile; search and browser would need to invent other ways to monetize themselves.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by tikhonj on Sunday August 16, 2020 @01:50PM (#24179689)
Search could still be funded by search advertising. It just wouldn't be combined with AdWords/DoubleClick/etc. Same idea for other products that have their own ads like GMail and YouTube.