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Re:Web by Google (TM) by crispyporkbites on Sunday August 16, 2020 @09:40AM (#24177687)
Meh, I think the longest lasting protocols are the decentralised ones, the good ones just can’t fail by design. SMTP is still going very strong, BitTorrent isn’t going away, bitcoin won’t die anytime soon

slack/discord will probably disappear and be replaced by another closed system until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by brianush1 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @09:42AM (#24177696)
As for SMTP, most people use Gmail nowadays anyway. Google might be able to kill SMTP if they wanted to.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by crispyporkbites on Sunday August 16, 2020 @10:20AM (#24178040)
Google will not be able to kill smtp, gmail is only one side of the email market. They’d have to offer a transactional and marketing email service and get every app/company to use that over smtp. It’s monumental and I don’t think it will change for decades.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by simias on Monday August 17, 2020 @05:51AM (#24185645)
You can damage open/federated email without having to break the lower level layers. See winmail.dat for instance[1].

I don't know if it's still in the pipeline but I remember that Google proposed an "AMP for email" not so long ago, with basically self-updating email contents.

Open email can be severely damaged if good old SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary formats, especially if those formats are effectively just metadata that's used to fetch the actual content of the email from 3rd parties.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Neutral_Encapsulatio...

Re:Web by Google (TM) by tenebrisalietum on Sunday August 16, 2020 @10:05AM (#24177879)
They'd have to cooperate with Microsoft, which hosts email for a large number of companies.
Re:Web by Google (TM) by freedrock87 on Sunday August 16, 2020 @10:20AM (#24178036)
Don't agree here.

Most companies use mail internally or to interact with customers usually using some type of external mailing service.....

Re:Web by Google (TM) by simias on Monday August 17, 2020 @06:00AM (#24185683)
HTML is also "going strong", that's not really the problem. The proprietary takeover happens at higher layers.

If SMTP is only used to tunnel proprietary content à la winmail.dat, it doesn't really matter that it's still technically open.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by wyclif on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:02PM (#24183454)
until we find the right way to do real time chat in a decentralised way

Isn't that what IRC was supposed to be? But as others have pointed out, it's trivial to roll your own chat software and monetize it. You can't do that with a decentralized standard.

Re:Web by Google (TM) by vpzom on Sunday August 16, 2020 @11:48AM (#24178717)
well XMPP kinda did die