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Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Thursday August 13, 2020 @07:30PM (#24151093)
I think it still makes some sense to ask if someone is Black or Native American due to their unique history in America (slavery and genocide), but tossing people into these buckets based on their ancestral continent is absurd.

In the current system, you're essentially punished if you're Asian, but what is "Asian," really?

Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans often immigrate to America with advanced degrees, wealth, etc. and they pass those advantages on to their kids, hence the high standardized tests scores / GPAs, but immigrants from Thailand, Vietnam, and the Philippines often come here with nothing in search of a better life, and their children are tossed into the same "Asian" bucket, and punished.

Maybe you could have one "non-white" checkbox that would award you a few points to partially offset any historical exclusion of nonwhite people in the university, which is important if they still have legacy admissions. Hispanic people might not have the option of getting extra points for having a father that went to Yale, who himself had a father that went to Yale, if Hispanic people were outright excluded in the past.

I think we'll eventually move to something close to what you're describing. You could get some points if your parents are poor, or didn't attend college themselves, or don't speak English, but categorizing people into one of a few crudely drawn racial categories has got to end.

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by RhysU on Thursday August 13, 2020 @09:31PM (#24152151)
Should individuals from other groups that have suffered recent genocide be treated similarly to those you named? Does it matter if America carried out the genocide inside its own borders? What if the country said little while very bad things happened? What if America fought but could not stop the very bad things? The Armenians and at least three more recent groups come to mind depending on those answers.
Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:24PM (#24152489)
The Thai and Philippines kids aren’t tossed in the same Asian bucket. The Asian bucket is actually the Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Indian kids.

The Asian bucket was better performing even before the latest wave of immigration. However, supposedly that declines with each generation such that by the 3rd generation, there isn’t much of a difference. Perhaps regression to mean?

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by skissane on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:33PM (#24152560)
> The Thai and Philippines kids aren’t tossed in the same Asian bucket. The Asian bucket is actually the Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and Indian kids.

The buckets are defined by the US federal government [1], and then get used by educational institutions and employers as checkboxes on forms whose answers are used to compute diversity statistics. And the US federal government's "Asian" bucket is defined as "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam". So that definition does explicitly include Thais and Filipinos

[1] https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:56PM (#24152723)
But is that how the universities behave?
Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by skissane on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:10PM (#24152829)
Yale reports statistics based on these “buckets” on their own website - https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts (you have to scroll down to the section labelled “University-wide Enrollments by Ethnicity (% of non-international enrollment)” and click to expand it)

You think, if Yale publishes these statistics on their website, that Yale’s admissions officers aren’t thinking about them during the admissions process?

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:14PM (#24152864)
You should look closer at average test scores of admitted students by more fine grained ethnic groups. My high school discriminated by particular ethnic groups: Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Hispanic, etc...
Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by skissane on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:22PM (#24152917)
Are those figures – i.e. test scores of admitted students broken down by fine-grained ethnic groups – publicly available for Yale? (Or any other similarly prestigious US university?)
Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:45PM (#24153076)
https://features.thecrimson.com/2013/frosh-survey/admissions...

Harvard

Tap on SAT by Ethnicity

Look at Pacific Islander vs Asian. That is as close as I have found so far.

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by skissane on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:57PM (#24153159)
Pacific Islander vs Asian isn't "fine-grained". They are two distinct "buckets" in the US government's standard racial classification system, to which I linked earlier [1]. It is just that the "Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander" bucket sometimes gets its name abbreviated to "Pacific Islanders". "Pacific Islander" is a collective term referring to the indigenous peoples of the islands of the Pacific Ocean, which peoples are divided into three main ethnolinguistic super-groups – Polynesians, Micronesians and Melanesians – and Native Hawaiians are a Polynesian people. New Zealand's Maori are another Polynesian people.

Prior to 1997, the US government had a single bucket, "Asian or Pacific Islander". Since 1997, they've been split into two separate buckets (although it took some time for the bureaucracy to fully adopt the new grouping – the 2000 census still used the old classification, but the 2010 census adopted the new one.)

[1] https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:07AM (#24153799)
Re:Feds say Yale discriminates against Asian, white applicants by babesh on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:28PM (#24152961)
The lawsuit asserts that they discriminate on the basis of both race AND national origin.