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Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by musicale on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:49PM (#24147709)
I think this is called tacit collusion.

You see something like this with gasoline pricing - major brands will have "competing" stations across the street from each other, but their prices moves in lock step without a race to the bottom.

Memory vendors have explicitly colluded in the past, but they really didn't need to - they just needed to copy their competitors' posted pricing. Presumably that is what they do now.

If there are high barriers to new competitors entering the market, then the situation is unlikely to change.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by Tehnix on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:06PM (#24148007)
Actually, that’s not correct about gas stations.

Having worked at one, we would check the prices of the two others on the same road once every hour. These numbers were reported into HQ, and a price adjustment would be made to be lower.

It’s very competitive and people are willing to drive or wait until a different time of day to get a lower price.

EDIT: Maybe I should have said: that’s at least not the case everywhere.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by Kinrany on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:12PM (#24148105)
The question is, would you also adjust the price when the others increased their prices?

If a store knows that the other store will raise their price in response, they can collude without an explicit agreement.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by kayfox on Thursday August 13, 2020 @05:44PM (#24149779)
Some states in the United States limit the number of times a week a gas station can change their prices.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:13PM (#24148131)
This isn't practical without an electronic sign.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by wnoise on Thursday August 13, 2020 @06:32PM (#24150395)
It's quite practical. Takes a few minutes at most to change by hand.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by Tehnix on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:32PM (#24148546)
In all the parts of the world I’ve been in, I’ve never seen a gas station without an electronic sign?
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by khuey on Thursday August 13, 2020 @05:26PM (#24149517)
You must be pretty young then.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by jeffrallen on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:42PM (#24148736)
You might enjoy a trip to Aru, in eastern DR Congo. The gas pumps were run off of a gas generator!
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday August 13, 2020 @05:13PM (#24149296)
You only have to travel to third world countries like USA.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by boogies on Thursday August 13, 2020 @08:40PM (#24151816)
I don’t have downvote yet and you’re tempting me to flag you. The US is a vast and diverse country with plenty of areas that aren’t homogeneously Liechtenstein rich but it’s far from any widely-established definition of a third world country.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by andybak on Thursday August 13, 2020 @06:28PM (#24150356)
Pumps? In Cambodia and parts of India I saw plenty of gas "stations" that consisted of rows of repurposed plastic water bottles.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by s3r3nity on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:41PM (#24148731)
Indeed price signaling [1] is a real thing when it comes to anti-competitive behavior among dominant market players - and government economists love analyzing these types of problems for antitrust cases, as they can be like solving forensic puzzles. [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_signal#:~:text=A%20price....

[2] https://www.thesoulofenterprise.com/tsoe/antitrust

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by kazinator on Thursday August 13, 2020 @05:29PM (#24149559)
I don't think so; the situation of copying the posted price can easily trigger a price war. It is not stable, unless someone is designated as the price master, and the others are slaves. That's the only thing which can explain that the prices can go wildly up and down, yet in lock step.

Everyone acting in complete independence, simply copying everyone else, cannot lead to stability, let alone the durable, persistent lock-step stability that is seen.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by dudus on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:04PM (#24147976)
I believe the correct term is Cartel and is just as illegal as monopoly just harder to prove.
Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by g_p on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:40PM (#24148697)
A cartel, by my understanding, would require the act of collusion to take place.

The issue in the telecoms market, at least IMO, is the high entry price (spectrum access sometimes meaning there is no option aside from buying an existing operator), combined with scale of the operators (usually large and national-level) meaning there is little entrepreneurial spirit to drive costs down.

It can cost a large company 100x what it would cost a small company to do the same work, and that becomes a price everyone ends up paying for. But absent knocking down barriers to entry, it's a very hard market for a new entrant to get into, unless you are happy to just sell to the existing incumbents as clients.

Re:Apple removes Fortnite from App Store after Epic attempts... by umvi on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:55PM (#24147821)
> You tend to see it with gasoline pricing as well - all the major companies have nearly identical prices.

Yeah because otherwise you make no money on gas. If I undercut the store across the street by a penny, they will then immediately match me or undercut by a penny. Pretty soon, we are at the break-even point and can't go lower without losing money. That's not tacit collusion, that's just a race to the bottom.

There's a big difference between all major app stores taking 30% every time money changes hands, and a race-to-the-bottom industry like milk or gasoline. Try starting a dairy farm - I think you'll find you won't be able to price your milk lower than your competition, and as a result your milk will be the same price everyone else's has been for the past 50 years - ~$2-3/gallon.