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Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by gamblor956 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @12:14PM (#24144931)
Microsoft and Google allow alternative browser engines. Apple does not.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by dlivingston on Thursday August 13, 2020 @12:22PM (#24145042)
Only within iOS. The average person downloading Firefox for iPhone doesn’t know (or care) if it’s built on WebKit or Gecko.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by dreamcompiler on Thursday August 13, 2020 @12:21PM (#24145040)
On IOS. On a Mac you can run any browser engine you want.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by leeoniya on Thursday August 13, 2020 @12:33PM (#24145202)
i wonder when the other shoe will drop. maybe as part of the ARM and iOS/macOS consolidation.

things are much more likely to go the iOS route given it's already ARM.

Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by the_other on Thursday August 13, 2020 @01:20PM (#24145742)
Apple will lose their entire Mac audience if this happens. Slowly, but surely.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by alwillis on Thursday August 13, 2020 @01:45PM (#24146015)
i wonder when the other shoe will drop. maybe as part of the ARM and iOS/macOS consolidation.

There’s no other shoe. There's no known technical reason why all the major browsers shouldn't be available natively when ARM Macs start shipping in a few months.

Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by perryizgr8 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:00PM (#24146184)
There's no technical reason for iOS to not support alternative browsers from the start. It's not about technical reasons.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by rvense on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:52PM (#24146845)
Exactly. I don't care about the size of the screen. It's my damn computer, I should be allowed to put whatever software I want on it.
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by alwillis on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:40PM (#24146699)
There's no technical reason for iOS to not support alternative browsers from the start.

Why would Apple allow other browser engines that are slower, less power efficient and don't respect user’s privacy at least as much as Webkit to run natively on iOS?

Apple continues to add features to block ads from tracking users across the web and to lessen the impact of fingerprinting by trackers.

Certainly Google has no interest in adhering to these principles if it were able to run natively on iOS—they're the only major browser on macOS that allows unchecked fingerprinting and ad tracking.

Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by seabrookmx on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:23PM (#24147261)
> Why would Apple allow

There's your problem. Apple doesn't own the device.. I do.

Apple can "recommend" I use Safari all they want (not unlike MS does with Edge) but if I own the device I should have the right to run any software I want. Full stop.

Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by ncmncm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @09:57PM (#24152323)
That is what you think. It is not what Apple thinks. Which do you suppose wins more often?
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by malnourish on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:05PM (#24146238)
Can you use alternative browsers on Chromebooks (sans rooting)?
Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by seabrookmx on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:26PM (#24147319)
Technically, yes. Crostini is a WSL-like VM layer that allows you to run arbitrary Linux apps, including Firefox and Epiphany on ChromeOS.

Practically speaking though, this is all command-line heavy and developer centric. Your typical Chromebook user can't/won't.

I'm actually grappling with this issue right now.. I'm a long time Firefox user and picked up a Lenovo Duet ChromeOS device to serve as a replacement for my cheap Android tablet.

Turns out.. I really like the form factor and am using it a lot (typing on it right now!). But the Firefox Android apps are a pretty terrible experience and since I don't plan on using this for dev, I don't want to jump through all the crostini hoops. So here I am, using Chrome..

Re:"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla by amenod on Thursday August 13, 2020 @12:45PM (#24145338)
They both fight with every dirty dark UX pattern they can get away with. Not much difference in practice.

If anything, at the moment Apple is doing more for the web diversity than anyone else. They have a non-negligeable market share and can force Google to abandon at least the most outrageous plans for Chrome.

Not that they are angels, of course... It's a pity that Mozilla failed to find a better revenue source that would include keeping Firefox alive.