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Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by stingraycharles on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:11PM (#24138163)
So then where does the 200k - 400k come from? That salary would be outrageous for software devs over here in .nl, let alone for a non-profit.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by desert_boi on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:27PM (#24138286)
I'm an American who worked in Germany. I interviewed in the the Netherlands, but was horrified by how low pay was in the industry.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by stingraycharles on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:39PM (#24138392)
I meant to show that more as a benchmark. The claim was that Mozilla hires employees in low-cost countries.

I agree that the pay in The Netherlands is pretty bad for software devs compared to other countries with similar wealth (UK, Germany, US, etc), but I know that it’s much worse in e.g. Eastern European countries, which I also expect Mozilla to hire from.

Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by jacquesm on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @08:14PM (#24138642)
Germany is not that much better than NL except for fintech and that pays well everywhere.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by wolco on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @09:02PM (#24138956)
Why hire in eastern europe only? Mozilla hires the best from around the world.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by benhurmarcel on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:00AM (#24141014)
It's more the American tech wages which are an outlier. Salaries in Europe are much lower but quite normal compared to the rest of the developed world.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by ac29 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:25PM (#24138267)
Its speculation. Cost of benefits/rent/etc is expensive in the Bay Area, but no one is getting $25k worth of dental insurance or anything.
Re:Mozilla Lifeboat by lacker on Thursday August 13, 2020 @01:15AM (#24140139)
It's just an estimate for an based on my experience in the industry, but I think it's a reasonable one. I did estimate based on American costs though. For example, an entry-level software engineer at Google in the U.S. makes $188,000 according to https://www.levels.fyi/ . That's the amount of compensation that goes to the employee, though; that doesn't count employer taxes and the additional costs of overhead like office space. So I added a range of up to twice that much to account for overhead, to estimate what an employee costs to the employer.

There are a couple other factors - one extra factor is this is just for entry-level employees, another extra factor is that Mozilla probably doesn't pay quite as well as Google. I am not sure how large those factors are, but it's just an estimate and they work against each other, so I think the range is a reasonable guess. I would be surprised if it's very far off.