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Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by DonHopkins on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:22PM (#24128323)
How is quoting the official Mozilla FAQ "splitting hairs"? It doesn't claim he's leaving to spend more time with his family, it literally asks if he was fired, and answers no, then asks if he was asked to resign, and answers no. How more explicit can you get? Do you have reason to believe the FAQ is lying?
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by war1025 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:37PM (#24128384)
> How is quoting the official Mozilla FAQ "splitting hairs"?

This just sounds like willful ignorance to be honest. It was obvious that Eich did not have the backing to remain as CEO.

The whole situation was an embarrassment and a disgrace for everyone involved to be honest. No one came out of it looking good.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by DonHopkins on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @11:42PM (#24128411)
So you're calling Eich willfully ignorant to claim he was not fired or forced out, when he actually was? Has he said that himself, or are you putting words into his mouth?
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by imtringued on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:56AM (#24129585)
If you're a CEO of a company why would you resign? Just for fun? The idea of a resignation does not come randomly and the closest reason why Eich decided to resign appears to be extremely petty.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by DonHopkins on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:36AM (#24130482)
If you're a CEO of a company why would you be against gay marriage? Just for fun? The idea of a destroying someone else's marriage does not come randomly and the closest reason why Eich decided to destroy other people's marriages appears to be extremely petty.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:38PM (#24138372)
It's obvious that he was urged to resign. Aka fired but with a face saving facade.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by DonHopkins on Thursday August 13, 2020 @05:52AM (#24141600)
If he was forced to resign, then that makes him a liar, because he explicitly stated that he was not forced to resign. And if he's a liar, then he certainly shouldn't be the CEO of Mozilla.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Thursday August 13, 2020 @06:34AM (#24141849)
He was forced to do it voluntarily. "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse". Or bullying till resignment.

Applies to the current CEO then too. Baker shouldn't be CEO.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by jacquesm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:02AM (#24143423)
> He was forced to do it voluntarily.

There is something very wrong about that sentence of yours.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:24AM (#24143619)
No. Like I said, resigning to safe face for him and/or Mozilla. But not by "choice". It's obvious really.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by jacquesm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @10:48AM (#24143873)
Sorry, but no. You can't 'force' someone to do something 'voluntarily'.

The obvious reality is that Eich realized he fucked up and could no longer effectively lead Mozilla, given that they are as much about their self reinforced myth of being the internet good guys as they are about tech.

And so he stepped down.

The kind of scene that you are envisioning occurs in Maffia movies but not IRL. Eich was under a lot of pressure, but most of that as a direct consequence of the inherent conflict between Mozilla's stated external position and Eich's personal actions. When you are CEO of such a large company you know that you can't combine the two unless you mean it.

Props to Eich for doing what was right instead of further harming Mozilla.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:38AM (#24144468)
So it was forced uppon him. Like you said "pressure". How can a choice under pressure be "voluntary"?
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by jacquesm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @11:45AM (#24144561)
That's outside pressure. Not inside pressure. Mozilla board + employees actually wanted Eich to stay.

Anyway you seem to be quite stuck on your interpretation, all of the people involved have a single consistent story and instead you want to believe your own. You are of course welcome to your opinion.

Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by DonHopkins on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:47PM (#24146779)
It's flabbergasting what intellectually dishonest mental gymnastics and strained misinterpretations and denials of proven facts that homophobes will resort to in order to bravely stand up for each other and proudly justify their bigotry.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by jacquesm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:08PM (#24147049)
Puzzles the crap out of me. Logic doesn't seem to enter into it.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:10PM (#24148073)
I don't care what Eich thinks about homosexuality.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by gsich on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:09PM (#24148053)
Pressure nontheless. Seeing that he went to another browser company I don't think he would have gone voluntarily.
Re:Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on comm... by jacquesm on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:38PM (#24148656)
Which isn't Mozilla. Anyway, I'm out of here. Good luck with your reality.