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Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by trabant00 on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:05AM (#24108812)
> simple truth: colonisation was wholly unnecessary, and that is what makes it unethical no matter how much good one tries to link to it

1. Unnecessary. Unnecessary for what? Anything? Cause in that case I do not agree. The rise, expansion and collapse of empires is very necessary for the development and testing of human organizational models. The price for change (not necessarily good) is human life. That's the reality of the entire history of the human race, you can't simply wish it otherwise.

2. Unethical. Morals are highly subjective and debatable, but I do want to mention one thing. Magna Carta originated in evil white Europe and the whole world benefits from it's forceful spread.

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by heavenlyblue on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:27AM (#24108981)
2. Manga Carta is far away from the first example of a democratic policy in a written form :)

Will your next point be about British developing the radar and the radio?

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by trabant00 on Monday August 10, 2020 @10:13AM (#24109454)
Magna Carta has nothing to do with democracy. And what are those previos examples?
Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by jandrese on Monday August 10, 2020 @03:20PM (#24112974)
The Magna Carta is all about decentralizing power, which is the foundation of Democracy.
Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by baddox on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:58AM (#24117850)
> The rise, expansion and collapse of empires is very necessary for the development and testing of human organizational models.

Which attributes are being tested, other than the ability of a society to expand and conquer or destroy other societies?

Re:Not all the facts fit the anti-colonialist narrative by trabant00 on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @04:19AM (#24118298)
It's evolution of human societies really. And like all evolution it's not moral, nor has any higher purpose. Different models compete with each other, the capacity to survive, expand and evolve is what is being tested.

Preying is part of life. People forget we are animals. Sure, we try to impose some rules on the preying, but who can enforce them but the strongest?

I am not trying to deny our need for liberty and safety. But you have to think about those in the real context of constant conflict. At any time you should look around and chose to support one predator over another, because there are real differences that will impact your needs. And many people from that time and place in the original article chose the white wolves.

Edit to address you question more directly: empires need to provide some things to the ones who are being ruled, otherwise you can't keep order. Lack of order means lack of efficiency, which affects army, which affects their ability to control and expand the empire. So there is a constant quest for balance between taking resources and giving back things. New empires pop up that do it better and they kill everything around until they fall themselves. Evolution.