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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by toxik on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:09AM (#24106762)
But how high is the ceiling? What are you allowed to express, even though it’s controversial? Westerners all know that the ability to criticize those above you is the only check valve in the system, what drives our society to fix its actual, true problems. Not the problems that the governing elite recognizes. Riots are an expression, and they were in Hong Kong too. But the CCP did not listen.
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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by eie7eu3hrruur on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:11AM (#24107123)
This is a very rosy presentation of westerners that I'd go so far as to say is a lie that western people tell themselves. Where is the protection for critics of progressivism when they lose their jobs in the US for example? Where is the outcry when Europeans advocating collecting racial information during crimes get blanketly labeled racist for something that's standard practice across the world? The west has rapidly been devolving into authoritarianism as well, it's simply social authoritarianism rather than government authoritarianism.
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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by tomp on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:18AM (#24107174)
> it's simply social authoritarianism rather than government authoritarianism

While I agree that "social authoritarianism" is pretty shitty, I'll take it over "government authoritarianism" any day of the week (mind you, we're commenting on a story about someone being jailed for speech, not just fired).

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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by eie7eu3hrruur on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:30AM (#24107251)
Sometimes that social mob burns your business down and then calls you short-sighted or racist for not being supportive anymore. There's a difference sure but it's not quite as night and day as fired vs. dead.
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Re:Hong Kong media tycoon Jimmy Lai arrested under national ... by toxik on Monday August 10, 2020 @06:59AM (#24107805)
The CCP will put you in an "education camp" if you don't agree with their ideas. Survivors from these camps are present all over the world, it is no secret - neither their existence, or how they work.

As an old Chinese man said, "love, ideals, loyalty, none of that matters anymore once your food is taken away." You _will_ report your family as traitors if that's what is standing between you and starvation.

We must never excuse the horrors going on in China, and we must always recognize that civil unrest is always the symptom, never the disease.

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