Re:GraalVM
by Erlich_Bachman on Monday August 10, 2020 @04:59AM
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> Java never got to the desktop (including browser)
What do you mean by this? There are a lot of desktop Java applications...
I'd like to hear about them, because apart from enterprise applications, there aren't that many left. Electron is the new desktop Java.
Re:GraalVM
by hoistbypetard on Monday August 10, 2020 @05:19PM
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I wouldn't call them dominant by any stretch, but I wouldn't call them uncommon. Ones I use somewhere between daily and semi-regularly:
* Pycharm * Datagrip * Charles * JDiskReport * TexturePacker * Android Studio and associated tools * Apache Directory Studio * Zed attack proxy
That's just stuff that I've used recently and on an ongoing basis... I feel like I see quite a bit more of it.
Re:GraalVM
by galaxyLogic on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @02:35AM
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I used to use a thing called JMeter. But its GUI felt inferior in my view compared to typical Windows applications.
> The reason Java never got to the desktop (including browser) I believe was the startup time.
I think it's mainly the fact that it has always been very difficult to create executable files.
Running java requires you to install the given version of JRE instead of just downloading an application and starting it.
It was always very easy, just package the JRE with the application, use an installer like any other desktop application, or buy one of those commercial AOT compilers available since the start of century.
But that takes a lot of space
You could not fit it on a floppy
Startup time matters a lot especially for Java applications. The reason Java never got to the desktop (including browser) I believe was the startup time.
Startup time matters a lot also for micro-services.
A 2nd great benefit of GraalVM I think is it makes it easy to integrate programs written in different languages, say Node.js and Java for instance.