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Re:Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Softw... by chii on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:01AM (#24106044)
Which demonstrates the irrelevancy of a hippocratic oath for engineers. Because the complexity of the system is such that no single engineer understands it all, and thus no single engineer is (or feels) responsible.

Blaming it on management is also irrelevant, since management merely takes the advice of engineers, and do financial/business trade offs to maximize profit. If the engineers cannot tell that MCAS system could fail this way (due to the complexity), management will not question it.

Re:Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Softw... by kittiepryde on Monday August 10, 2020 @11:22AM (#24110244)
So..

if the engineering leadership said, this is not a good idea. Management said, it saves money.

Engineering failed to convince management. Management didn't have the understanding that it was a bad idea.

It is now, no one's fault?

If management merely takes the advice of engineers ( and other who specialize in the things that they do not ), and they choose to ignore it because they do not understand the things they do not specialize in. I believe it's a reasonable to assume that management is more at fault than engineering ( I'm not sure they're is a situation here where any party is fault less )

Re:Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Softw... by Pocketknife on Monday August 10, 2020 @11:59AM (#24110658)
Management isn't going to question things, even with engineering warning them it's a problem every day.

Management likes hearing things they like, and simply don't hear things they don't like. Then act surprised about it when it becomes public.

Re:Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Softw... by ilaksh on Monday August 10, 2020 @09:08AM (#24108834)
Hippocratic oath for engineers is irrelevant, correct. But management does not take the advice of engineers. As I said, the engineers wanted to do proper engineering, but management wanted to save a buck, so they instructed engineering to fudge a cheap solution.

Its very common.

Re:Microsoft President: We Need a Hippocratic Oath for Softw... by moron4hire on Monday August 10, 2020 @07:32AM (#24108106)
That's like saying burglars who break windows demonstrate the irrelevancy of door locks.