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Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by pbhjpbhj on Friday August 07, 2020 @10:08AM (#24081991)
Why are you OK with that. Why is division between groups of people a good thing for you, is it that you want oligarchic rule to beat one-party dictatorial rule? Or you hate the Chinese fifth of the World population?

USA will polarise things until a war with China becomes inevitable forcing those who want to trade freely with both parties to pick a side.

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by dominotw on Friday August 07, 2020 @10:11AM (#24082017)
> Or you hate the Chinese fifth of the World population?

So you are saying Chinese hate rest of the world so much that they have to block them from their internet?

I am ok with cutting of people who hate me. Does that make sense?

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by savingsPossible on Friday August 07, 2020 @11:22AM (#24082840)
Your reply makes sense, but you are buying into the notion that there is 'hate' and 'racism' involved.

This is a spurious comparison. Every time someone accuses someone else of racism in this thread, there should be the same answer: The US (after a looong while!) is doing to Chinese companies the same China does to US companies. To ensure the benefits of globalization are not concentrated by China's protectionist policies

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by pbhjpbhj on Saturday August 08, 2020 @09:00AM (#24091311)
>So you are saying Chinese hate rest of the world //

No, if there's some other reason you could explain it. But my working hypothesis is that you hate Chinese people for some reason: perhaps through media conditioning against anything labelled communist.

Their reason, in theory is they hate Western Capitalism. So an alternate hypothesis is that you want the oligarchic rule that Western Capitalism is heading full-throttle towards?

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by savingsPossible on Friday August 07, 2020 @11:20AM (#24082819)
> Or you hate the Chinese fifth of the World population?

This is a spurious comparison. Every time someone accuses someone else of racism in this thread, there should be the same answer: The US (after a looong while!) is doing to Chinese companies the same China does to US companies. To ensure the benefits of globalization are not concentrated by China's protectionist policies

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by pbhjpbhj on Saturday August 08, 2020 @09:02AM (#24091319)
But the reasons usually are bracketed with 'what China is doing is wrong' ... so then doing the same is also wrong for USA. It's just about the money; in the past it seemed USA was about the ideals - of the declaration of independence, for example.
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by hakka-nyu-su on Friday August 07, 2020 @09:10AM (#24081377)
What is this comment trying to say, by putting China outside of the "rest of the world tribe"? Does this mean that Chinese people are a different species, or what?
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by cloverich on Friday August 07, 2020 @09:56AM (#24081838)
It is countering OPs assertion that this is US vs China. They are arguing China is drawing a line around themselves (to keep competition out), and the US is merely recognizing it (by keeping competition in) and still participating with the rest of the world economy.
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by sinoskeptic on Friday August 07, 2020 @09:24AM (#24081510)
I am from India, and I created an account to agree with exactly this, and add a few more comments.

To every country which is actually in China's proximity, what China has been doing has been nothing short of imperial - in the bad sense of the word.

The "China tribe", if you look a little closely, consists of two types of people - those who are so far away that their notion of China is mostly in the abstract - in the same way I might (not at all) be alarmed if Somalia and Kenya had a war, say. The second group is the "satellite" which depends on China to counter a common enemy - a good example being Pakistan which needs China to counterbalance India's power in the region. Interestingly, but only anecdotally, I have never once heard anyone from Pakistan criticize China's treatment of Uighur Muslims, even though the world is finally catching on that something really fishy is going on. I mention this because the same folks are often seen loudly complaining about the treatment of Muslims in pretty much every other part of the world.

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by dominotw on Friday August 07, 2020 @09:28AM (#24081552)
> I mention this because the same folks are often seen loudly complaining about the treatment of Muslims in pretty much every other part of the world.

Its just capitalism.

Patagonia made a big fuss about facebook ads but their official policy is to no mix business with politics only when it comes to china.

Patagonia was widely celebrated( including here on HN) for their facebook ad stunt. Really pathetic hypocrites live here in USA unfortunately.

https://www.patagonia.com/static/on/demandware.static/-/Libr...

> Far more of our products are made by those Chinese suppliers than they are by the U.S factories because of their expertise and price

> We’ve made the choice not to disengage from countries on the basis of their policies.