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Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by chillacy on Friday August 07, 2020 @02:05AM (#24078859)
This plays right into China's narrative. Now the arrest of Meng Wanzhou (Huawei CTO) starts to look a bit less principled and a bit more like a piece of realpolitik.

I think it's definitely justified in the sense that it's understandable to strike back, but it's hard to take a moral high ground now.

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by bananaface on Friday August 07, 2020 @04:00AM (#24079486)
The arrest of Meng Wanzhou was never meant to seem legitimate imo, the point was power projection. "Don't fuck with us."

I don't think the moral high ground means much in geopolitics. Power is way more important. "Better not curtail us, it'll make you seem mean..." This is the US we're talking about, known around the world for turning half the middle east into a desert. That's really not their primary concern.

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by EdTsft on Friday August 07, 2020 @04:56AM (#24079840)
That sounds like an excellent way for the US to torpedo their relationship with Canada, as if the trade war and COVID response isn't doing enough already. Canada's stance on the arrest is based on its legitimacy and the impartiality of the judiciary. The public will be outraged if it comes out that we've had to suffer China's wrath for a political stunt by the US.
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by bananaface on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:42AM (#24080141)
You're putting a lot of weight on positive relations rather than power. I'm just not convinced. The US is substantially more powerful than Canada, so they can bully Canada. Canada doesn't really have the option to turn them down as an ally.

For example, I don't think the trade war did damage relations with Canada - if what you're measuring is tangible results, rather than sentiment. From what I can tell, the US basically said, "give us a better deal, now. Also we're boycotting China." Canada said "I don't want to. But OK," and then... Nothing else changed. The US won, and Canada didn't reprimand them. Results > sentiment.

Forcing Canada to choose between the US and China is absolutely a strategic option for the US, and possibly an important move to make given how heavily China is invested in Canadian property. America doesn't want China getting a foothold on their continent. Even if it pissed off the Canadian public... So what? What are the practical results?

Note the US is currently embroiled in similar situations with Britain (Assange & the Hit & Run Diplomat). They practically forced the UK to join the war in Iraq, which pissed the UK public off way more than Weng Menzhou - doesn't matter. They won, & the UK is still a (staunch) ally.

Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by mlindner on Friday August 07, 2020 @03:07AM (#24079165)
But only China believes China's narrative... Just ask any of China's neighbors. Philippines is reversing course of late even though they were trying to get closer to China, for example.
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by logicchains on Friday August 07, 2020 @08:02AM (#24080963)
I'm in Singapore and most of my colleagues here view the US as the bad guy in all this.
Re:US to ban transactions with ByteDance and WeChat in 45 days by chillacy on Monday August 10, 2020 @02:24AM (#24106186)
Out of curiosity I dug up some of the research, at least as of 6 months ago (haven't found anything more recent) it's fair to say that overall APAC leans towards "unfavorable" in its attitude towards China.

Favorability is down double digits from 2018 in APAC (though strangely up double digits in parts of europe).

So "only china believes china's narrative" isn't super technically correct but I think the general sentiment is accurate.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2019/12/05/attitudes-towa...