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Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by simonh on Thursday August 06, 2020 @04:29PM (#24075117)
In a situation like this, capitalism hits its limits. Don’t get me wrong, Im a thorough going capitalist. To me it’s simply a consequence of respecting individual freedoms and individual property rights. The rest of capitalism flows from those two principles.

In this situation though, when there is a threat to society as a whole either military or natural, there’s a legitimate role for society to pull together and coordinate our actions. That’s what government is for. All societies can benefit from consensus and leadership, especially in situations like this.

If their business model really fails, then fine, that’s because there’s enough value in alternative providers that these ones are no longer needed. However in temporary crises it’s possible that the process of dissolving businesses can leave a gap in the provision of valuable or even vital services that the market cannot fill fast enough. Markets are incredibly powerful, but they aren’t omniscient or omnipotent.

This is why although I’m a believing capitalist, I think there is a role for regulation and even bailouts in extraordinary circumstances. I’ll even extend that to individuals, a crisis can hit any of us just as it can hit a business. I don’t see that necessarily as socialism, just good management when done judiciously and proportionately. Ultimately it’s about fairness and good outcomes. I’ve no time for ideologies.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by valuearb on Thursday August 06, 2020 @05:39PM (#24075740)
I’m fine with bailing out companies as long as the owners and managers forfeit all their equity.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by munk-a on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:10PM (#24075988)
It's not an easy thing to find out who did what - trying to figure out which managers and owners were purposefully over-inflating equity to secure larger loans (or whatever) from those who were duped by the other managers and were just trying to keep the ship afloat is a really hard problem.

And, in this fun world, you might find a terribly over-leveraged business where no one ever tried to act fraudulently but some vulture capitalist consultant helped "ensure access to liquid assets" and is now in Kiribati watching the world burn.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by true_religion on Thursday August 06, 2020 @06:29PM (#24076111)
That’s why the above poster suggests all owners forfeit equity. The company survives but it is nationalized, at least temporarily.

In practice, I think we will see companies being sold off the friends of the sitting president, and powerful senators.

Today, at least they must at least pretend to be equal in their bailouts, which gives non affiliated companies a chance to receive money.

Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by simonh on Friday August 07, 2020 @05:03AM (#24079886)
Yes I think that's reasonable. From an economic perspective what matters is the employment, goods and services the enterprise generates. Good management should be rewarded with equity and profits, bad management or poorly exercised ownership loses out. Nobody is owed a profit, but if they get the job right they are entitled to it.
Re:Busted retailers use bankruptcy to break leases by the th... by valuearb on Sunday August 09, 2020 @03:18PM (#24102074)
If you are the owner or manager, it’s your job to ensure your business is appropriately funded. It doesn’t matters if you commit fraud, you also get to lose your equity for incompetence.