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Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by simonebrunozzi on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @09:06PM (#24067257)
Congrats, Patrick. The VMware + AWS experience is certainly a big plus for a company like Stripe.

I would dare to disagree on, or at least to challenge, the "simultaneously" that you mention, though - in my experience (ex AWS, ex VMware) these two are completely different sales motions, made possible simply by the product itself and how it's discovered and consumed... Despite (yes, despite) what enterprise sales wanted to do. In a way, it's as if AWS self-serve were one entity, and AWS enterprise sales were another one.

In many cases, sales teams were completely not aware of certain things happening, or certain accounts becoming huge overnight, or certain developer behaviors. Some salespeople were handsomely rewarded for having been randomly selected as the sales rep for accounts like, say, Dropbox or AirBnB.

It's hard to describe properly, I know, but it's not as harmonious as one might say at first glance. And I think that the sales team still hasn't a good idea of the other side of the coin.

In a way, AWS' merit is to not have let Enterprise Sales screw up the self-serve part, and I think that's mainly because AWS was, and still is, so much more metric-driven than any other business I'm aware of. Enterprise Sales happened gradually, without interrupting a very addictive self-serve machine.

Anyway, this could be a long conversation with lots of platitudes, so I'll stop here and try to think of better ways to explain what I have in mind.

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by pc on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @09:08PM (#24067270)
Yes, the world certainly hasn't yet nailed this playbook. AWS has, I would contend, objectively done an incredible job in this synthesis. (How many other businesses have grown to $40B+ of revenue with self-serve product adoption front-and-center?) But I'm sure Mike (and anyone else at AWS) would be among the first to agree that they also have things to learn and improve.
Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by simonebrunozzi on Thursday August 06, 2020 @12:47AM (#24068195)
Yes. I once calculated that AWS is the fastest ever b2b in history. Only marginally slower than FB, which is a consumer business (and the fastest ever).

One more thing I'd like to mention in this context: ask 100 people why AWS has been so successful.

Think of your answer.

My answer (6 years at AWS; met with ~5,000 AWS customers, so big data set): lowest barrier of entry (swipe credit card, EC2 is up in 2-3 minutes), and lowest barrier of pausing the service (and the billing).

Most people would say any other thing, but not this one. In fact, EC2, S2, EBS were initially quite bad, in terms of performance or price/quality, compared to pretty much anything out there. But you needed 2 minutes to spin up an EC2 instance, vs 2-3 weeks anywhere else.

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by thoraway1010 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @01:24AM (#24068335)
The other thing is trust. They have (yet) to screw customers on pricing that I've seen. Has amazon ever raised prices on an existing service? I'm not saying the prices are any good, but they don't seem to go up.

So you can spin up in a few seconds, scale, stop and even invest in the platform without worrying too much. Also - they don't seem to discontinue services that quickly, again, doesn't feel like you will be screwed.

I just had a call TODAY with a vendor, the price could be as low as $30/unit or $120/unit - that's a near 4x delta from sure to hell no for our use case. Sales guy needs to go talk to their manager to see if they can get us the lower pricing. And who knows if next year (it's annual) we'll again get their "manager" to sign off on the lower pricing.

Something about enterprise sales folks thinking is very short term. No price transparency - maybe we can qualify and squeeze them for more per unit. Or maybe get them in low and squeeze them on renewal once they've invested. The overhead of dealing with them is so high too. Show me actual product screens (not talking heads and bullet points). By the time you get to the demo you have wasted a week of your life.

So big thumbs up to AWS here. You can see baseline pricing up to huge traffic. You can see savings plans discounts up to large amounts etc.

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by fragmede on Thursday August 06, 2020 @08:10AM (#24070223)
AWS has clear upfront pricing, but they're a large enterprise company so if you're a large customer, and you're not getting a discount, you're definitely getting screwed. No one talks about that because it's all covered by NDAs covering backroom deals, but you can be sure Netflix isn't paying list pricing for EC2 instances.

Having to convert between Reserved Instance families to save money, while tricking people into thinking that this is good for them, is a masterstroke of AWS' sales department. Wouldn't you rather be working on the product rather than optimizing RI counts?

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by donor20 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @11:20AM (#24071716)
I've never felt tricked by RI. Is there some value to a cloud provider if I commit to three years of an instance type that might night have much new adoption after 1 or 2 years? I suspect so. They seemed to price based on that. What's the "trick"? Standard a1.medium instance for 3 years runs $7/month. Not unreasonable

If you don't want to do that use savings plans.

If you like talking to sales people and negotiating discounts do that. But they haven't let those sales people shut down / mess up self serve, including options for discounts.

You can get pretty far with amazon's tiered pricing and savings plans / spot etc discounts.

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by closeparen on Thursday August 06, 2020 @02:49AM (#24068695)
At the time EC2 became popular, self-service rental of virtual machines was already a well-established business, but it was called "VPS" instead of "cloud."

Uploading source code to your provider and letting them figure out how to serve HTTP traffic from it was also a dominant pattern, but was called "shared PHP hosting" instead of "serverless."

I'm not even old. But I guess most people my age probably did not have HostGator accounts when they were 11...

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by bigyikes on Thursday August 06, 2020 @03:10AM (#24068776)
You have me beat, I don’t think I got my HostGator account until I was 13. Also not old.

My girlfriend got a traditional CPanel hosting setup a couple of months ago. Being so caught up in my tech bubble, I kind of forgot such quaint things existed.

But the more I think about it, the more I wonder why I’m bothering to write a service with JavaScript, fiddling with webpack, or deploying to Digital Ocean or Heroku or some other overpriced tech-hype VPS service, when I could instead simply drag and drop a .php file into FileZilla and get on with my day?

Re:Stripe Hires AWS' Mike Clayville as Chief Revenue Officer by harleyyoung on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:31PM (#24067894)
AZ recently wrote a well-reasoned piece about the need for many companies to understand, and to be great at both growth and sales to open new market segments: https://a16z.com/2020/07/29/growthsales-the-new-era-of-enter...

As you acknowledge, there are few companies that have made the transition from growth to growth+sales in the way AWS has. If Mike can help Stripe chart that course and avoid the shoals along the way, that's hugely positive for customers, employees and owners of Stripe.