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Re:In spite of an increase in Internet speed, webpage speeds... by amw-zero on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:06AM (#24061609)
When I said “amortized” in this case, I just mean that the cost of the initial page load is spread out throughout the length of the session. Like you said, if you just want to quickly open an email then close the app, the session time will he short and the page load cost will be a large percentage of the session time.

I’m having trouble comprehending some of your sentences (there’s some running on going on). So I don’t understand what you mean by “waiting for advanced search” - is that better or worse in the multi page world? I think it’s worse. With an SPA, all of the UI navigation can happen on the client, which is as quick as possible (no server round trip). The actual searching in an SPA would be via an API and you get a nice spinner in the meantime, again with no page load. All smooth UI transitions which indicate to the user what exactly is happening. No blank page while a new page is computed without knowing what exactly is going on.

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Re:In spite of an increase in Internet speed, webpage speeds... by another-dave on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:02PM (#24063032)
sorry writing while eating lunch earlier so no doubt could be phrased better :)

What I was trying to get at was that there are lots of "optional extras" that seem to get loaded up front at the moment that would be better if they were progressively loaded.

I think you see that a lot with SPAs in a way that you didn't when JS was used to 'progressively enhance' sites rather than for all interactions.

I don't think it's a problem of SPAs by definition — you could engineer an SPA to progressively load what's needed, and make the first load very slimline & then only load additional features while idle or on request, which is why I think GMail is a bad example. For example, I've just tried logging into Gmail in a fresh Firefox window (no cache) that I set to throttle to a "regular 3G" connection speed in the browser. It took literally 30s to load (with one email in the inbox).

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Re:In spite of an increase in Internet speed, webpage speeds... by amw-zero on Thursday August 06, 2020 @07:40AM (#24070062)
Gotcha. React Suspense is trying to be the best of both worlds. It allows you to load code for components on the fly, when they are needed, and not all up front.
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