Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pkolaczk on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @10:41AM
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Right, it is concurrent, but it is still costly. It brings rarely used data into the caches and pushes useful data out of the caches. If some parts of the heap were swapped out, the impact of concurrent scanning can be quite dramatic.
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Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pron on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:20AM
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Ah, but you can pin GC threads to specific cores, and a reference-counting GC also has such non-trivial costs. In practice, however, people in the 90-95% "mainstream" domain that Java targets are very happy with the results. Of course, there are some applications that must incur the costs of not having a GC. In general, though, the main tangible cost of a GC today, for a huge portion of large-scale applications, is neither throughput nor latency by RAM overhead.
Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pjmlp on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:06PM
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I also enjoy the low level C++ like tooling that .NET offers, but I am also looking forward to the fruits of Panama and Valhalla in that direction.
Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pkolaczk on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:28PM
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Pinning doesn't solve the problem of cache L3+ thrashing.
Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pron on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:40PM
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It could if the GCs used non-temporal instructions that bypass the L3. Of course, how much of a problem this is in practice in most applications is something that would need to be measured.
Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pkolaczk on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @03:06PM
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Point taken. What about swap?
Re:Sub-10 ms Latency in Java: Concurrent GC with Green Threads
by pron on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:23PM
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Yeah, swapping could be really bad and should be avoided. So: don't swap :) Java's memory consumption can't go up indefinitely. The most important setting is the maximum heap size. Set it to a good level and don't swap.