Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsuit against Uber filed

Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by KKKKkkkk1 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:52AM (#24057644)

Except that in his case the bonus was paid based on Project Chauffeur hitting certain milestones. They retained him until the project hit the milestones, and then he left. Which is fair and square. And by the way, Chris Urmson and Sebastian Thrun did the same.

It's just that Google did not understand the Goodhart law of self driving, which states that you can hit arbitrarily hard milestones and yet get nowhere near real self driving.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by arethuza on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:49AM (#24058607)

I suspect we could generalise your law for all of AI work: you can solve arbitrarily hard tasks and yet be nowhere near real general intelligence.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by dexen on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @08:54AM (#24060248)

A half-joking prediction:

at some point we'll solve all arbitrarily hard milestones for AIs and yet find ourselves 'nowhere near having real general intelligence'.

At that point we might start questioning our assumptions about intelligence.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by arethuza on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @10:40AM (#24061278)

Well, if those hard milestones include "building an AI system to solve a given problem" then I'd agree with you.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by dexen on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @10:51AM (#24061430)

With intelligence, the territory is not the map :-)

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by pnutjam on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:09AM (#24061644)

https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/91177/how-our-eyes-see-e...

Until we can understand and correct unconcious inferences, how can we ever understand intelligence.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by dexen on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:12AM (#24061682)

  In the days when Sussman was a novice Minsky once came to him as he sat
  hacking at the PDP-6.  "What are you doing?", asked Minsky.  "I am
  training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe."  "Why is the
  net wired randomly?", asked Minsky.  "I do not want it to have any
  preconceptions of how to play." Minsky shut his eyes.  "Why do you
  close your eyes?", Sussman asked his teacher.  "So the room will be
  empty."  At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by notRobot on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:24PM (#24065158)

Please don't use code blocks for quotes. It makes it very hard to read text on mobile, narrow viewports or via screen readers.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by coolgeek on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @12:41PM (#24062784)

I get what you're saying, but 99% of those working in AI aren't even trying to create AGI. They're working on narrow AI, and they're perfectly willing to acknowledge that.

Even the SOTA reinforcement learning folks know that they are working in limited (albeit progressively expanding) niches.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by TuringNYC on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @04:08PM (#24065000)

This has traditionally been a problem on Wall Street also -- if your bonus is based on profit, traders maximize profit (but also risk.)

Then the company wizes up and the bonus is based on profit with a risk cap...and traders maximize profit and minimize some form of risk (while taking on some other unmeasured liability, e.g., liquidity)

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by dorgo on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @11:12AM (#24061683)

hard task: generate a pile of money in short time.

If an AI accomplishs this task, I don't care whether it is general intelligence or not.

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by inafewwords on Saturday August 08, 2020 @01:18AM (#24089257)

AI becomes US treasurer

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by supernova87a on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @05:53AM (#24058951)

Has anyone seen any good hard milestones that would validate that self driving progress is being made? Even the framework?

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by bduerst on Thursday August 06, 2020 @12:30AM (#24068126)

Yes - dunno what GP is talking about because there are tangible milestones for working self driving:

https://www.synopsys.com/automotive/autonomous-driving-level...

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Re:Levandowski sentenced to 18 months in prison as new lawsu... by oldgradstudent on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @07:51AM (#24059785)

Yes. Working self driving.

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