Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by kortilla on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:09PM
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Many of the major tech companies have these exalted “fellow” ranks, both new and old (IBM, Google, Cisco, etc). From the internal docs I’ve read about the process to get there, you have to both make great contributions to the field as well as be important to the right people at the company.
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Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by georgespencer on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @02:29PM
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I think it was Sun who pioneered fellowships as a way of defusing the tension between the desire for higher remuneration in talented engineers + the fact that they are often best suited to staying in an individual contributor role which doesn't enable them to receive it. Many engineers get promoted out of their zone of genius and have to spend time managing others and doing all sorts of other things unrelated to the talent which made them famous.
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by dreamcompiler on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @03:39PM
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If Sun did it they copied it from Bell Labs, who had a technical staff ladder and "Fellows" before Silicon Valley even existed.
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by p_l on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:25PM
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IBM Fellow program is probably the oldest, initiated in 1962 and with first appointments in 1963. Reading the list of IBM Fellows one quickly notices some well known names that some people might not even recognize as IBMers :)
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by neilparikh on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:26PM
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> notices some well known names that some people might not even recognize as IBMers
Looking through the list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Fellow), some random names I recognize: Frances E. Allen, Gene Amdahl, John Backus, Kenneth E. Iverson, and Benoît Mandelbrot (!).
Pretty neat to see how one company was the hub for so many skilled people in the past (similar to Bell Labs and Xerox PARC). I wonder what that hub is today. Google or MSR?
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by georgespencer on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @02:55PM
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Interesting! Thank you for correcting me.
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by sukilot on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @07:07PM
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You are describing Principal Engineers.
Fellows are retired people who don't have to leave.
Re:Greg Joswiak replaces Phil Schiller as head of Apple mark...
by als0 on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @08:38AM
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> Fellows are retired people who don't have to leave.
This is false. Retired people can be fellows but you do not have to be retired. Some Fellows at tech companies are quite young because they were lucky to invent or spearhead famous technology that changed the fortune of the company.