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Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by onde2rock on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:44PM (#24043158)
Hum, it doesn't seem like a lot.

Maybe I missing something, but looks like a software update to make MCAS more robust. And if it bug, raise an alarm and flight-crew operating procedures should be (?) to deactivate MCAS and fly without ?

Could pilots actually fly the plane without MCAS ? It must feels like an entirely different aircraft.

Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by rootusrootus on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:49PM (#24043220)
> It must feels like an entirely different aircraft

No, if MCAS is disabled then the vast majority of the time it will fly just like normal. MCAS is only there to adjust flying characteristics when the wing is at a high angle of attack.

Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by linuxftw on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:57PM (#24043308)
> only there to adjust flying characteristics when the wing is at a high angle of attack.

No, that's a Boeing talking point. It's there to prevent the aircraft from stalling, not to 'adjust flying characteristics.' The nose pitches up during high thrust, MCAS kicks in to to counter what the pilot is doing (stick and thrust) so the plane doesn't stall.

Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by himinlomax on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:19PM (#24043594)
It's not there to prevent stalling, except in as much as pitching the plane too much does eventually result in stalling; however any pilot will have pushed the stick or trimmed long beforethat. It's there to make the plane behave exactly like an older model at a high angle of attack, to counteract the engines being further forward than those models.
Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by rootusrootus on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:01PM (#24043371)
All planes with low mounted engines (read: most current jet airliners) pitch up with increased thrust. It's not controversial, and pilots deal with it routinely. MCAS does not activate under normal flight conditions.
Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by linuxftw on Monday August 03, 2020 @05:06PM (#24043421)
> MCAS does not activate under normal flight conditions.

This is entirely the problem. If MCAS operates, you're already doing something wrong. It was required in the first place because the likelihood of pilots doing something wrong is high. Now, instead of MCAS backing up the pilot's bad decision making, it might cut out at a critical moment.

We already know that Boeing revised (increased) the authority of MCAS without notifying the FAA because testing found the MCAS to be inadequate initially.

You can't simultaneously need MCAS and be okay with it being disabled intermittently. Those two things are directly at odds.

Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by racnid on Monday August 03, 2020 @04:52PM (#24043261)
Yes, to my understanding the only issue a pilot would run into with MCAS disabled and neutral is decreasing control forces at high angles of attack. The FAA requires control forces to monotonically increase with angle. I say "only" but that probably makes for a very weird feeling airplane to fly; how dangerous that actually is for a trained pilot I can't answer for sure but my gut and experience tells me not very.
Re:U.S. FAA proposes requiring key Boeing 737 MAX design cha... by salawat on Tuesday August 04, 2020 @05:44AM (#24048285)
It is a specifically enumerated disqualification for civil transport aircraft, created in a time where all aircraft were flown by hand.

I'd be comfortable with taking it as a given this is not an avenue worth excavating.