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Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by gavribirnbaum on Sunday August 02, 2020 @03:57AM (#24027144)
Brazilian here. Unfortunately I wouldn't call them independent. They simply represent the other side. Brazil is not as united behind Bolsonaro as the media makes out to be.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by egeozcan on Sunday August 02, 2020 @04:24AM (#24027247)
I'm originally from Turkey, and that's also the case with Erdoğan. I mean, they wouldn't be dictators if everyone agreed with them, no?

The big problem arising from the stark polarization is that there's no uncontaminated news sources anymore. Many argue that news should be political anyway but I really miss reading stuff that doesn't fit 100 percent to a single agenda.

Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by gavribirnbaum on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:49AM (#24027596)
Hold on, Bolsonaro is not a dictator. Federalism even recently screwed him over. He didn't act on COVID but individual states imposed their own measures and thankfully countered his opinion.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by lkrubner on Sunday August 02, 2020 @09:44AM (#24028656)
That's like saying Mussolini was not a dictator in 1922, because there were still so many factions competing against him in Italian politics. Possibly true, but it's also clear what direction he was heading. By 1925 he had largely consolidated his power.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by gavribirnbaum on Sunday August 02, 2020 @11:52AM (#24029409)
Well I'm also super concerned that he has expressed dictatorial aspirations. But as of right now the constitution holds.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by iandanforth on Sunday August 02, 2020 @12:32PM (#24029659)
"Super concerned?" The guy wanted to celebrate the coup that started the last dictatorship. Stop splitting hairs.

http://www.iconnectblog.com/2019/04/bolsonaros-unconstitutio...

Note: Trump's call for postponing the election is exactly the same thing. Evidence they have no interest in constitutional democracy and will, at the earliest possible moment, impose total control on the country.

Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by gavribirnbaum on Sunday August 02, 2020 @01:07PM (#24029902)
Read what I said. I said I'm super concerned about it :D
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by prox on Sunday August 02, 2020 @09:06AM (#24028464)
Polarization is exactly that, remove all gradients. Fascists like to make out everything is black-white. “Only siths deal in absolutes”
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by wearsshoes on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:51AM (#24029053)
I’ve always thought that quote itself was curiously absolute. ‘Only’, Yoda?
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by monocasa on Sunday August 02, 2020 @01:02PM (#24029851)
That whole movie is about how the Jedi completely lost their way from millennia of stagnation to the point that they couldn't recognize the sith in their midsts anymore, and how their own well meaning influence contributed to their own downfall.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by nradov on Sunday August 02, 2020 @02:24PM (#24030417)
The Jedi were a death cult of religious fanatics who coerced child soldiers into fighting their wars of conquest.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by rhizome on Sunday August 02, 2020 @04:11PM (#24031304)
Time for a Star Wars supercut with The Jedi Theme and Imperial March flipped to the other sides.
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by famouslastwords on Sunday August 02, 2020 @01:30PM (#24030041)
>I’ve always thought that quote itself was curiously absolute. ‘Only’, Yoda?

“Do. Or do not. There is no try.”

I always took it as Yoda unwittingly revealing himself as a Sith Lord. I mean, how much do we really know about this little fella's shady past? :D

Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by im3w1l on Sunday August 02, 2020 @02:46PM (#24030617)
> I mean, they wouldn't be dictators if everyone agreed with them, no?

A dictator's enemies are deplatformed and powerless. They are certainly not allowed to sit in top courts.

Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by oscargrouch on Sunday August 02, 2020 @06:01AM (#24027633)
There are 11 or 12 supreme court judges. While one or two may present some "tastes" here and there, overall, all of them together are doing a good job til now.

Gilmar Mendes sometimes free their rich pals from prison here and there, but in other matters hes not that bad.

Dias Toffoli also do some shady things here and there but some bad things he did got reverted back by the other judges.

I dont think is fair to say they "represent the other side", first because this gives a dichotomistic way to see things that are far too simplistic.

Also because as a Brazilian too, im very thankful for what the two other powers; judiciary and legislative, have being doing to put the executive at least in check.

The president is nuts, and the country is without any sort of leadership, and if it were only incompetence, but the problem is that this guy is trying by any means necessary to do a takeover move over the republic..

And if those other powers weren't in opposition, trying to defend the democratic institutions, we would be heading to some sort of Putin state.

So of course that nothing is perfect, but overall i've been positively surprised about what they have done so far.

Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by aflag on Sunday August 02, 2020 @10:15AM (#24028834)
They are free to not take the government side in all matters. So, how are they not independent?
Re:Brazil Bolsonaro: Facebook told to block accounts of pres... by glofish on Sunday August 02, 2020 @11:56AM (#24029434)
Independence means something else. It means not beholden to certain interests.

Simply being in the pocket of the other party (opposition) does not make them independent.

(Disclaimer: I don't know if this is the case, simply commenting on the topic of independence)