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Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by jtmarmon on Friday July 31, 2020 @02:45PM (#24012234)
Speaking personally, here's why TikTok concerns me: TikTok is a Chinese business, and China has shown no limit to how much it will meddle in the affairs of and even take control of Chinese businesses for the furthering of the Chinese state's agenda.

Simultaneously, TikTok has captured the daily attention spans of millions of Americans, many of them especially young and impressionable. They've captured their attention in the form of a black box algorithm that promotes content in whichever way TikTok deems most appropriate.

These two facts mean that the Chinese government now has direct access to the brains of millions of young Americans, with zero oversight. Imagine China subtly promoting videos to create outrage and civil unrest in the US, or to feed anti-US propaganda to germinate terrorist groups in the US. These might sound like far flung possibilities, but I think it's hard to say what a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically) might do with that kind of power, and I don't think we can wait to find out.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by eunos on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:21PM (#24012768)
> These two facts mean that the Chinese government now has direct access to the brains of millions of young Americans, with zero oversight. Imagine China subtly promoting videos to create outrage and civil unrest in the US, or to feed anti-US propaganda to germinate terrorist groups in the US. These might sound like far flung possibilities, but I think it's hard to say what a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically) might do with that kind of power, and I don't think we can wait to find out.

Ironically this idea is one of the rationale behind the GFW. Dont want any Spring/colour revolution over there.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by thrownaway954 on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:03PM (#24012514)
"Imagine China subtly promoting videos to create outrage and civil unrest in the US, or to feed anti-US propaganda to germinate terrorist groups in the US."

our president is doing a fine job of that now with his twitter account.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by altaria on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:18PM (#24012721)
Or, you know, our mainstream media exclusively broadcasting videos without contextualization of white police officers killing black men to the country and ignoring all other racial configurations of violence in order to stoke racial tension.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by bagacrap on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:05PM (#24022577)
and according to many, his election was partially a result of foreign tampering
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by pageandrew on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:07PM (#24012595)
Right, but we have the ability to vote him out of office. We don't have the same oversight of the content the Chinese Communist Party wants to put in the minds of young Americans, besides banning the app.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by hakka-nyu-su on Friday July 31, 2020 @02:50PM (#24012324)
Does China really identify as "a country that views the US as its enemy (politically, economically, philosophically)" or is that just a projection of how the US feels about China?
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by tempodox on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:06PM (#24012566)
Absolutely. China does not recognize even the idea of Human Rights, let alone their implementation. What do you think the Great Chinese Firewall is for? Shutting out all those ideas from the rest of the world that are deemed hostile to the ruling party's ideology.
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Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by mullingitover on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:14PM (#24013397)
> America is a fundamentally revolutionary nation fighting for global democracy.

I've studied the history of the US enough to know that this is brazen propaganda with no firm basis in reality. The US has no problem propping up brutal tyrants when it's convenient.

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Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by mullingitover on Friday July 31, 2020 @06:44PM (#24015117)
Correct, the US doesn't only support totalitarians. However, it does support them. The US support for democracy isn't based on principles is my point, it's based on convenience, and the US will merrily crush a democracy and install a dictator if it's in US interests.
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Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by mullingitover on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:49PM (#24016608)
> Ah, this is your mistake. The US support for democracy is absolutely based on principles. It is the exceptions that you're focusing on and trying to use to create some essentialist caricature of the US.

I honestly don't have to try to make the US into some caricature. The US isn't good or evil, it's a self-interested nation like any other nation and it practices realpolitik like any other nation. I'm simply not putting it on a pedestal and pretending that the actions of the country are anything other than pure self-interest.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by vore on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:54PM (#24016240)
I believe there's a saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by mullingitover on Friday July 31, 2020 @04:55PM (#24013966)
> Imagine China subtly promoting videos to create outrage and civil unrest in the US, or to feed anti-US propaganda to germinate terrorist groups in the US.

I mean, Youtube[1] and Facebook[2] already do this, and nobody has a problem with it. Do foreign-owned businesses not have first amendment rights?

I should also point out that honest journalistic reporting of the reality in the US is more than sufficient to create outrage and civil unrest in the US.

[1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/28/study-of-youtube-comments-...

[2] https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/the-far-r...

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by kanox on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:51PM (#24016617)
> Imagine China subtly promoting videos to create outrage and civil unrest in the US, or to feed anti-US propaganda to germinate terrorist groups in the US.

Restricting foreign media based on "propaganda" fears is not a behavior that free societies engage in.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by sanxiyn on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:42PM (#24013027)
> They've captured their attention in the form of a black box algorithm that promotes content in whichever way TikTok deems most appropriate.

Ugh no. TikTok's recommendation algorithm works the way it does because of its userbase's preference. TikTok is NOT free to change it willy-nilly. At best TikTok can "steer" the algorithm.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by throw987542 on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:25PM (#24016828)
Does this mean China is correct in censoring information and social networks?
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by tempodox on Friday July 31, 2020 @03:02PM (#24012505)
There have also been reports that the Chinese use all the behavioral data reaped from TikTok as input for training their own surveillance and censorship ML. The international user base is involuntarily turned into fuel for the totalitarian Chinese oppression machinery.