Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by zrth on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:16AM
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Journalism is printing what someone else does not want published; everything else is public relations.
-- George Orwell (possibly wrongly attributed)
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by mesofile on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:32AM
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Definitely wrongly attributed
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/01/20/news-suppress/
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by pandas20 on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:13AM
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Someone with enough clout and reach should start a mass movement spanning the world. There will be lots of supporters. Clearly people who create news (and legally should be considered owners of that news) should be compensated by publishers who profit from that news. It will have far reaching social impact. It will provide monetary benefits to people who decide to sell their news stories and also solve the problem of online privacy. Point is sports bodies have long argued that they own the content they create. Why is the same not true for individuals as well? Of course politics will have to be made an exception.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by mc32 on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:46AM
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Who has to pay whom for reporting on a congressional scandal?
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by phkahler on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:04AM
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The reporter needs to get paid. Usually a publisher will pay them and publish the story. Everyone else running the story is a leech. Places sharing headlines and linking to the proper publisher are usually helpful.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by Aaargh20318 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @05:11AM
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But the reporter didn't create the news, they just reported it. The news was created by whoever was involved in the scandal, so they should be paid.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by alexmingoia on Friday July 31, 2020 @07:26AM
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Says the guy who took other people’s images and sold them...
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by marban on Friday July 31, 2020 @07:46AM
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You should read his bio.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by slim on Friday July 31, 2020 @07:45AM
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every artist does that. he just did it in a straight, sorryless way. hence the concept in his conceptual art.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by yesenadam on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:12PM
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> every artist does that.
Um, no.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by montjoy on Friday July 31, 2020 @11:17AM
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Clearly he’s making a joke...
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by marban on Friday July 31, 2020 @12:26PM
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Andy Warhol wouldn't be on HN I guess.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by jedimastert on Friday July 31, 2020 @07:41AM
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Warhol had a fascinating perspective on mass-produced pop culture, having enough insight to pretty much game the system
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by nix23 on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:15AM
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That's why Macintosh and he was a perfect match, one took pictures the other took windows-es (xerox) ;)
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by koheripbal on Friday July 31, 2020 @07:43AM
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I don't think anyone has figured it out yet, because if you aren't paying for news, then you are the product and not the consumer, and yet most news is still free.
...or maybe they have figured it out.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by azangru on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:10AM
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Ok, I am not paying for reading the news feed on HackerNews. I suppose you aren't paying either. Are both of us HackerNews' products?
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by r0m4n0 on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:54AM
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Actually I think hacker news is the Google in this scenario. They are profiting off aggregating the content of other news outlets. I’m not sure it’s right/wrong or how it’s going to work but if Australia says you make money off aggregating their news you must pay some legislated amount, I’m not sure I agree with the precedent of that
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by bigiain on Friday July 31, 2020 @08:16AM
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Have you stopped to think what YCombinator is getting out of paying the bills to keen this site running?
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by GlennS on Friday July 31, 2020 @09:10AM
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Is it costly for them? I assumed they thought it was good, cheap PR.
Re:Australia to make Facebook, Google pay for news
by dexen on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:46AM
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>Are both of us HackerNews' products?
Yes. We the users of HN are product - both individually, and also as a market segment, and also as a smart[0] crowd.
From [1],
Y Combinator provides seed funding for startups.
To Y Combinator, the HN is both entry to the sales (investment) funnel, and a PR machine. And also early opinion & commentary, early beta-testing, load testing [2], and more.That is not to detract from the (very probable) angle of pg & team wishing to render a public service for the public good :-)
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[0] the occasional bad thread notwithstanding ;-)
[1] https://www.ycombinator.com/about/#whatwedo
[2] aka HN hug of death
-- Andy Warhol