Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by bsenftner on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:00AM
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The pro UBI arguments completely miss the 2nd level effects - the predators will come out in droves and the less intelligent will be conned into long term contracts that consume their entire UBI. UBI is a gift to the wealthy - it gives them a huge pool to steal from.
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Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by teddyh on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:11AM
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Possibly, but that sounds like a problem which could be solved separately, perhaps with stricter laws about what constitutes an onerous contract; we need not discount UBI entirely because it causes some problems, since the problems UBI causes might be better than the problems we have without UBI, and the problems with UBI might be easier to solve.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by bsenftner on Thursday July 30, 2020 @11:40AM
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If the issue of predator treatment of consumers were addressed first, a large amount of the pressure for UBI will evaporate. The poor are poor due to predator capitalism, not due to any lack of skills on their behalf.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by teddyh on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:04PM
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It might be that UBI is politically potentially possible, while the other issues are not politically viable to solve in the present situation. Politics is the art of the possible.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by onion2k on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:26AM
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That's a really bad reason to keep poor people poor and a very good reason to crack down on the behaviour of rich people.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by zentiggr on Thursday July 30, 2020 @09:17AM
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Unfortunately, that's had a really poor track record this past century or so.
I don't have a good answer either... I just agree that UBI seems like a net positive.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by Sodman on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:27AM
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Being poor isn't a lack of intelligence, it's a lack of money. No doubt a few people will get conned out of their money, but for the majority it would be a net positive to have more money at their disposal.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by zentiggr on Thursday July 30, 2020 @09:19AM
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People already get preyed on every second of every day.
I don't think there would be the surge of losses you imagine.
Re:Universal Basic Income is Capitalism 2.0
by patmorgan23 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @08:28AM
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That will absolutely happen sometimes the question is how common it will be vs how many other people will be able to use those resources to get themselves into a better situation.