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Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by franga2000 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:54AM (#23995103)
This is really impressive and all, but we already have a pretty good open source online spreadsheet editor by OnlyOffice and I can't help thinking where we could be if the (I imagine) pretty significant amount of work that went into this was put into improving an existing solution...
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by jlokier on Thursday July 30, 2020 @09:05AM (#23997612)
Realistically it's not possible to "just" work on something else like that.

The work is very different. The work to make a new product like this is completely different from the work to improve an existing, large, established behemoth of a project that has a large number of users. It's a software lifecycle thing, analogous to the difference between spinning up a mini startup, and working for a settled big company with tens of thousands of co-workers.

Perhaps the big product would be better if everyone worked on it, but you're talking about unpaid authors, doing what they enjoy in their free time, often for fun.

What's the reward to the unpaid author of refining the existing, established, behemoth of a solution?

They aren't going to be able to try out their own big new ideas or do any significant architectural design that way.

They aren't going to be able to take it in a new direction, because the existing tool has a lot of users so can't change that much.

They aren't guaranteed that what they want to work on, or what they want to see as features (maybe to use for themselves) would be accepted upstream.

They aren't going to be able to change anything that existing users depend on really. For example if they wanted to try a different syntax for formulas, or a different editing paradigm.

They aren't likely to end up with something they can point at when asked what they spent all their free time working on. Contributing to such a large project, if they enjoy doing it that's great, but nobody outside a small group of people will associate them personally with their bit of work - unlike an independent project, if that gets a reputation.

They also have no chance of monetising their work later, if that's what they choose to try to do in future. Or more likely, to make a commercial branch.

For some people, that kind of work on an established project like that suits them. But it's completely unsatisfying kind of work for other people. It's not reasonable to pressure them, through oblique criticism, into doing it unpaid if they wouldn't enjoy it.

Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by TAForObvReasons on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:58AM (#23995112)
Large parts of onlyoffice are AGPL (https://github.com/ONLYOFFICE/sdkjs). Luckysheet is MIT
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by nik736 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @01:57AM (#23995111)
Luckysheet comes with the MIT license.
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by bestouff on Thursday July 30, 2020 @02:50AM (#23995374)
I can't see why it's an advantage.
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by P4wl0w on Thursday July 30, 2020 @03:14AM (#23995494)
Compare the licenses and think again :)
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by iCarrot on Thursday July 30, 2020 @02:57AM (#23995403)
I can't see why more options to choose from is not an advantage.
Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by brylie on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:08AM (#23996081)
More options is good for rapid evolution of a new domain. Eventually though, we need collaborative effort to take established ideas to a mature state.

For example, there are a number of fledgling open-source nonlinear video editors (NLEs) -- to name a few in no particular order Kdenlive, Openshot, Olive, OpenMovieEditor, Blender Video Sequence Editor, Shotcut, Cinelerra, and Flowblade. I say this with full respect to the authors and contributors to those projects, we just need ONE open-source NLE that is on par with Final Cut or Premiere Pro.

Re:Luckysheet, an open-source spreadsheet by franga2000 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @02:12PM (#24001280)
+1 for the NLE example, as it's one of the biggest problematic areas to me. What even is the difference between Shotcut and OpenShot? Both are 90% of the way to being the perfect everyday video editor, yet they both get destroyed by the first shareware result for "free video editor" when it comes to polish.

But we really can't blame the authors - there's no money in open source user apps and polishing isn't fun to most people. I'd immediately jump on the opportunity to build an NLE from scratch if given the time and financial freedom, but I can't see myself digging though someone else's code and sanding all the rough edges for fun.