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Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by toomuchtodo on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @01:57PM (#23989664)
Users are lazy. You can educate all you want, they will still use the same passwords everywhere, or weak passwords. You have to bake the security into your workflows, processes, and code if you want it to matter.

This is from infosec/opsec awareness training experience I get paid to provide. Not all users are lazy, mind you, but enough to be emotionally depleting. Incentives matter.

Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by tialaramex on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:20PM (#23989927)
This is my biggest reason for optimism about WebAuthn.

Using cheap FIDO USB dongles is "I forgot it was there" easy, you have to tap the button or touch the metal contact surface or whatever on your dongle when you sign in, it becomes a reflex, you stop thinking about it yet now you're authenticated and bad guys aren't.

The touch ID style behaviour in a newer Pixel or iPhone likewise, that's probably already how you unlock your phone without really thinking about it, and now it can unlock a web site.

Even the OpenSSH FIDO integration feels lazier, yet more secure than having to use a local password for your keys. Some non-trivial number of people have no password or set it to something easy because it was annoying, the resulting risk (malware exfiltrates their unsecured private key) vanishes instantly if you give them all FIDO dongles and require that login method.

Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by 33Backpack33 on Sunday August 02, 2020 @01:31PM (#24030051)
Nothing more lazy than doing something like generate a password for the user. The way most browsers work you have to go out of your way to not let it save and fill passwords.

If you create the password for the user they can't reuse it and thus no credential stuffing problems.

Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by UncleMeat on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:07PM (#23989766)
> You have to bake the security into your workflows, processes, and code if you want it to matter.

There's a suggestion here in the article: don't let users pick their passwords. Just generate one for them and say "use your browser's password manager or write it down".

Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by wolco on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @02:33PM (#23990081)
All that does is increase the locked account support tickets and drive people away.

A sticky note password attached to the screen creates another password sharing problem.

The last company I trust with my secret password is my browser. One hack away from exposing everything. That's like bring all of your important documentation with you wherever you go. If you are robbed it is better you don't have your bank code attached to the card.

Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by UncleMeat on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @03:19PM (#23990560)
You are typing your password into your browser. You must trust them with your password.
Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by wolco on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:55PM (#23992006)
I don't trust them to store and safe guard the password.
Re:You don’t need SMS-2FA by FabHK on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:18PM (#24003461)
So you're not using a password manager either?