Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,...
by PixyMisa on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @09:43AM
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AMD has been around since 1969. Oh, and they invented x86-64 and licensed it to Intel.
Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,...
by syedkarim on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @09:33AM
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This is an interesting perspective. Does anyone with an informed opinion have anything to add to it?
Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,...
by klelatti on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @10:25AM
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AMD was originally licensed access to Intel's 8086 and later designs because customers demanded a 'second source' manufacturer in case Intel had manufacturing problems (sounds familiar!)
Intel tried to ditch second sourcing with the 386 but AMD was able to continue manufacturing compatible CPUs.
Much later Intel was accused of anti-competitive behaviour by AMD in various markets - which resulted in a fine in Europe and a $1.25bn dollar payment to AMD and patent cross licensing.
But - AMD licenses some important technology to Intel eg x86-64.
Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,...
by thu2111 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @10:29AM
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It pre-supposes that what was best for the USA and world was Intel being maximally successful, rather than there being a market for x86 chips. That's not clear at all. If American capitalism is defined by anything it's competition, something Intel has sometimes unfortunately tried to squash.
The real answer here is not to come up with artificial Intel-specific legal kludges like forcing them to cross-license to AMD, but rather to adjust copyright and patent law to define APIs and ISAs as non-protectable.
They already paid for that several times over. AMD only exists today because Intel was forced to license their technology. Intel has been artificially restrained for decades. Competition all over the world has benefitted massively from that.
Now of course people conveniently forget that history and pretend Intel wasn't made to fight with one hand tied behind its back for three decades.
There's nothing quite like watching the tied-down champ get beat, and then watching the crowd gloat about it.
The US did this to itself by crippling Intel. The US always does this to its champions, meanwhile competitor nations do the exact opposite, aggressively promoting and shielding their most valuable companies. Then people wonder golly gee what happened to such and such company, we tied its hands behind its back and it got beat to a bloody pulp, how could that outcome happen. Get up champ, take some more punches.
Anyone think China is going to cripple its strongest companies? South Korea is going to break Samsung into pieces? Taiwan is going to break up TSMC or force it to license its technology to Intel to spur competition? Germany is going to break up its oligopoly auto companies? Of course not, nobody else behaves that way. Meanwhile the US is going after its most powerful tech companies and always does. US competitors laugh their asses off as we make everything easier for them.