Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process, CPUs Could Be TSMC 3nm

Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by pabs3 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:29AM (#23974586)

The ASML monopoly is even more worrying.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by twic on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:57AM (#23974779)

I feel like HN found out about ASML a few months ago and now mentions it at any opportunity.

There are loads of companies in the supply chain for fabs, all of them specialising in vital bits of equipment that nobody else can replace. ASML is not the only ASML.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by amelius on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @08:39AM (#23975064)

Care to be more specific? What types of equipment, and how difficult is it to duplicate the tech?

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by pabs3 on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:01AM (#23984737)

I found out about ASML at DebConf 2017 where I heard about it from one of their employees who also happens to be a Debian developer.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by ragebol on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:36AM (#23974641)

What would it take to break that monopoly (technology-wise, not politically like eg. the big oil companies were a century ago)?

ASML bet on EUV and finally made it work well enough.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by Taniwha on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:52AM (#23974744)

Probably the best way to break that monopoly would be to deny their machines to a largish country that would be willing to fund its own domestic competitor ..... but why on earth would that happen?

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by vladimirralev on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @11:40AM (#23976899)

Like China https://www.reuters.com/article/us-asml-holding-usa-china-in...

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by Taniwha on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @06:54PM (#23981561)

Yeah, well, that was my point - the US government's current bad behaviour will just create a stronger competitor - we'll all probably benefit as a result

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by pabs3 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:47AM (#23974712)

Convince the fabs to buy more from ASML's sole competitor, which I hear is kept alive just in case.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by MangoCoffee on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @08:41AM (#23975079)

there are only few foundries that can afford or want their machines. Globe Foundry vow out of 7nm race and SMIC can't get US's approval. there are about a hand full of companies that want their machine. Samsung, Intel and TSMC.

ASML is a niche of a niche.

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Re:Intel Ponte Vecchio GPU Will Be Made on TSMC 6nm Process,... by cma on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:35AM (#23974632)

Intel owns a fifth of ASML.

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