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Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by sgt on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:19AM (#23973559)
How can it be that engineers are poorly paid in the UK? From some googling it seems like the average is £62,500. That tells me the upper tier is probably around £80-100k, which is not too bad. Lower than Silicon Valley salaries, but surely living costs in the UK are also significantly lower if you live a bit outside of London?
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by cm2187 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:31AM (#23973634)
£62k is not very far from entry level in finance, and as you become more senior you would typically earn 2-3x that. Outside of software engineering, I don’t think things have changed that much.

Part of me thinks that if engineering was offering better careers, we would have flying cars now. But I also see it as a market and if engineers aren’t paid that much, it is probably because there isn’t a supply shortage. For software developers, there is a supply shortage (as every company is becoming a software company) and it translates into higher wages.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @06:41AM (#23974301)
"Part of me thinks that if engineering was offering better careers, we would have flying cars now."

> I was thinking something along those lines, we've had an entire generation of smart people go into finance and create financial innovation that led to 2008 (amongst other, potentially positive, things).

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by xen0 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @08:03AM (#23974822)
Glassdoor gives the following salary numbers for Google: London: £65000 (=$83.7k) Mountain View (CA): $145000

Both seem a little low; I'd expect a mid-level in London to be >£75k (~$100k). Less sure on the US salary; maybe >$155k? Neither include equity, but I imagine they scale pretty similarly.

So a London dev at Google is looking at a loss of $70k per year compared to their SV colleague.

London isn't cheap. It may not be NYC or Bay Area levels, but you can't really escape it by commuting in. You're going to be competing with everybody else trying to do that and knocking £5-6k off your post-tax income, so I don't think it really comes out as "cheaper" to try that. I was estimating needing ~£1000 per month as basic living costs (rent + public transport, but not food) in shared accommodation when I was looking to move there (in the end I didn't, but not because of anything I've said here).

Edit: Fix bad maths in comparison

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by avianlyric on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @05:15AM (#23973873)
I think your looking at software engineering roles, not traditional engineering roles.

Traditional engineer roles pay far less, think £40k in London.