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Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by criddell on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:39PM (#23971037)
Another article I just read says Intel is talking to TSMC. I think they are trying to get out of manufacturing.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by segfaultbuserr on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:43PM (#23971082)
While I'm not a fan of Intel's monopolistic position on x86, but if Intel really gets rid of manufacturing, it's going to be another accelerator of consolidation in the semiconductor industry. I see it as a threat and I hope it will not happen. The timeline which Intel's in-house fabs survive, is a better timeline.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by harpratap on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:50PM (#23971118)
Samsung has pledged to heavily invest in fabs and try to beat TSMC while SMIC is gaining historic momentum too. Looks like good competition in the upcoming decade to me.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by scarface74 on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:45PM (#23971465)
A monopoly is not defined as you’re the only one that can make your own products.

Intel doesn’t have a “monopoly” in the processor space.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by DC-3 on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:48PM (#23971112)
It is going to be a little bit geopolitically terrifying if Taiwan/TSMC monopolizes cutting edge chip fab.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by Bud on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:57PM (#23971164)
TSMC is building a $12B factory in Arizona.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by jorblumesea on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:03PM (#23971203)
It will never be the latest chips. TSMC will never let their cutting edge fab machines out of Taiwan. If they're on 3nm then Arizona will make 7nm or something.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by phonon on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:37PM (#23971403)
Except those machines are largely built by other companies, like ASML...
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by jorblumesea on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:39PM (#23971421)
Built by, but the manufacturing processes and know how to design them (EUV) are TSMC. Good point, it's more complex than just TSMC :)
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by ethbro on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:10PM (#23971250)
We'll see. Bargains come in many forms, and Taiwan certainly has things they want from the US.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by TheGrassyKnoll on Monday July 27, 2020 @11:59PM (#23972142)
Like what ? F16s ?
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by wahern on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @01:30AM (#23972573)
Aircraft carriers and nuclear ICBMs. F-16s and missiles are merely to buy enough time for the U.S. to respond, which in a surprise attack with a minimal initial invasion force probably doesn't require as much sophisticated equipment as Taiwan has to preserve a viable defensive line for if and when the U.S. intervenes.

If China (PRC) was smart, it'd have invaded Taiwan two years ago as Trump's resolve to backup commitments to Taiwan, or pretty much any military commitments to any ally, with force is basically nil. Nearing the election it's less clear as retaliation and a standoff crisis might better suit his reelection bid under present circumstances (e.g. COVID-19 sentiment).

China missed its opportunity, but if Trump were to win re-election China would have much less to lose given their rejection of one country, two systems, the deterioration of trade ties, etc. In a lame duck Trump presidency invasion would have an even better cost+benefit profile for China.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by beaunative on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @02:12AM (#23972795)
China doesn't need to invade Taiwan. It just need to create this pretext that they will to prevent Taiwan from becoming a US military base.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by wahern on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @02:22AM (#23972861)
Geopolitically I agree that there's little justification for China to invade Taiwan. But AFAIU there's a very strong cultural mentality, especially among senior military leadership, that is absolutely obsessed with Taiwan. The fact that the annexation of Taiwan provides almost no substantive benefits whatsoever is presumably all that holds them back, given the slight risk of a U.S. response. Growing Taiwanese industrial prowess and the benefits that inure to the U.S., such as with TSMC, upsets the precarious balance by making Chinese control of Taiwan strategically more important.

It's the same thing with South Korea. The U.S. would likely agree to leave the Korean peninsula in a heartbeat if China agreed to regime change in North Korea, even if it was kept as a buffer state. Geopolitically it would be better for everybody involved. But senior Chinese military leadership feels honor bound as the protector of the North Korean regime, which also stands as living evidence of Chinese military superiority over the U.S. And so China defends the most egregious behaviors of North Korea, even when they openly defy China on the international stage, and even when North Korean policies cause domestic trouble in China.

A comparable mentality in the U.S. might be that regarding Cuba--completely and utterly irrational, driven by an antiquated historical narrative and unjustifiable sentiments. In some respects an even better example might be Israel, but it's exactly because it's an apt comparison that I can't actually make it--there's little room for nuance and too little good faith allowance in the domestic discourse.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by dreamcompiler on Monday July 27, 2020 @11:11PM (#23971917)
Why? The only part of this that worries me is how China might react to it.
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by sneak on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:08PM (#23971239)
Why?
Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by baybal2 on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:18PM (#23971290)
Yes, I myself heard that Intel CEO been frequenting visits to Hsinchu last year.

There is only one company out there worth visiting in person for a man of his calibre.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by devmunchies on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:32PM (#23971371)
Can you elaborate?

I just learned about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hsinchu_Science_Park

Would this be to acquire, poach, invest, or relocate?

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by baybal2 on Monday July 27, 2020 @10:37PM (#23971761)
The biggest company there is TSMC.

The murmur been that Intel gave up on 10nm, and wanted to do a tapeout at TSMC's fab as a stopgap measure until they can make a new process from scratch.

Re:Intel ousts its chief engineer, shakes up technical group... by jhallenworld on Monday July 27, 2020 @09:52PM (#23971513)
Maybe for Altera FPGAs? I don't really understand the scale Intel needs and whether TSMC offers enough for their micros.