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Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday July 27, 2020 @01:31PM (#23967336)
I managed a software development team, staffed with a number of folks that each had about 30 years experience. We were a fairly advanced team that wrote image processing pipelines in C++.

When they finally rolled up our team, after 27 years, the person with the least seniority had ten years.

It's entirely possible to keep folks for long periods of time, but it requires some pretty serious management chops, and those skills are not exactly encouraged, in today's world; in any field -not just software development.

I worked for a Japanese company. The Japanese wouldn't even acknowledge my employees until they'd been around for a year. Having the same people on hand, year after year, was pretty much required, as our projects always took the long view.

I can't even imagine having an environment where engineers are expected to quit every year and a half.

Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by scarface74 on Monday July 27, 2020 @01:43PM (#23967487)
No matter how good the manager is, if he is beholden to an HR department that only gives slightly above COL raises while the market explodes, people will jump ship.
Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday July 27, 2020 @02:04PM (#23967704)
Says you.

Our HR was run by the Corporate General Counsel. It was pretty much as bad as you can get.

Also, we were paid "competitive" wages (read: below-market).

I was the manager for 25 years (I should mention that the engineer with the most seniority had 27 years -we started together), and I feel I did a pretty good job. Considering they did not "jump ship," I guess something went right, eh?

Nowadays, it seems that people "manage by fad," as opposed to managing humans. It's kind of heartbreaking, really.

Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by scarface74 on Monday July 27, 2020 @02:44PM (#23968075)
Until they find out that while they were getting 3% raises and their salaries were well behind the developers who cane in after them that were paid at the market rate.
Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by ChrisMarshallNY on Monday July 27, 2020 @02:54PM (#23968188)
Wow. You really want to discount what happened. Why?

Just assume that we were all idiots, and go back to your happy place.

Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by scarface74 on Monday July 27, 2020 @05:35PM (#23969667)
Yes. Anyone who is willing to work for less than market value while new people are coming in at market values aren’t “idiots” but they are unwise.

Did you tell them that “we are all family here”?

Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by soulchild77 on Thursday August 06, 2020 @02:14AM (#24068538)
Did it ever cross your mind that there are more things than money which make a person stay at a company for a longer period?

For me personally, if the money is enough for me to make a comfortable life with my family, other things at work become important. I could never spend most of my days with assholes or do idiotic work even if the pay was way above market value, for instance. I'd also trade money for more free-time, if possible.

And yes, the company I work at does feel like a family. But nobody had to tell me this. It just does so, naturally.

Re:How popular media portrays the employability of older sof... by ChrisMarshallNY on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @06:51AM (#23974355)
Well, I'm done engaging. It's fairly clear that we have incompatible worldviews, which is sad, because I'll bet we could find many things in common.

I sincerely wish you the best.