Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by harpratap on Monday July 27, 2020 @10:44AM
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There are drawbacks too, usually such solutions are very Japan centric and hard to port to other countries, leading to Galapagos syndrome.
One example is bullet trains - my most favorite form of transportation but sadly only few countries can adopt it with success similar to Japan.
Second is Osaifu-Ketai - I think this the best NFC based payment system in the world, extremely fast and almost no learning curve. But it took way too long to modernize it and put it inside smartphones. Is very inflexible. Licensing is too expensive so won't be ever globally opted, so we ended up with much inferior QR codes and slow NFC systems.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by aikinai on Monday July 27, 2020 @10:50AM
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For your second point, I think you meant FeliCa. Osaifu-keitai is the name of the integration with phones, but FeliCa is the name of the far superior NFC standard that never took off outside Japan.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by harpratap on Monday July 27, 2020 @11:29AM
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felica did see usage as university cards but when I say "Osaifu Ketai" I mean the entire business model surrounding it too. Only Hong Kong successfully implemented it.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by aikinai on Monday July 27, 2020 @10:36PM
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Oh, if you mean the model and not the technology, Apple Pay has already accomplished far more than osaifu-keitai could ever hope to.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by harpratap on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @10:57AM
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Apple pay/Google pay is too slow, requires internet and has too many gotchas. And the entire thing is controlled by Apple and Google there's no competition. It's basically back to same old Visa & MasterCard duopoly.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by tim333 on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @04:27AM
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I visited the Toyota factory in 1983 and the engine factory was almost completely automated but without computers - there were conventional mechanical and optical sensors and the like guiding the engine blocks as they trundled from machine to machine on belts. There's definitely something in the craftsman culture.
Re:Dam built by robots? Japan's Obayashi tests it out
by rasz on Monday July 27, 2020 @01:50PM
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automation != AI. Japan leans as far away form AI as it can, everything is hardcoded/pre programmed.
> Japanese craftsmanship in robot form
you mean Asimo 'I have full diaper' pre programmed non closed loop/inverse kinematics walk?
A while ago there was an article on HN on how Sony automated most of PS4's manufacturing and made the production extremely efficient. It's almost like the continuation of Japanese craftsmanship in robot form. It's beautiful and really illustrates how the Japanese tradition is transferred to modern machinery.