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Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by entee on Saturday July 25, 2020 @11:31AM (#23949909)
Because we believe it is the way to maximize individual happiness and that individuals are inherently valuable. To take an individual’s liberty is to violate something sacred that the person has just by being alive. You have to have a very strong justification, with a high bar.

This does come with tradeoffs, but I don’t think the masks and beach are part of that tradeoff. People can and will voluntarily take on inconvenience for the good of others, but they have to be convinced. Our dysfunctional president has actively fought against creating a consensus that we should move as one against this virus. When the US decides to do something together, especially in the modern era, we do it incredibly well mostly without sacrificing human rights (with some obvious historical injustices we have to remedy). What is happening here is a failure of leadership, not a failure of liberty.

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Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by dang on Saturday July 25, 2020 @01:32PM (#23950934)
Please stop posting nationalistic flamebait to HN. You've done it repeatedly, including in more than this thread, and that's not ok on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by chance_state on Saturday July 25, 2020 @12:04PM (#23950202)
>Did the US internment camps violate the rights of others?

Definitely. Was that your only point?

"But America..."

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Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by entee on Saturday July 25, 2020 @01:12PM (#23950784)
Hence the mention of some pretty clear historic problems we have to address. I also don’t fully support some of our recent wars, and I don’t pretend to say we’re perfect. We’ve pretty clearly done some bad things even quite recently.

What I love about this country is that we talk about it, we struggle with it, we do so publicly, and eventually we try to do the right thing. Our ideals are pretty good, just really hard to live up to, and the real world is complicated. We support dictators abroad, we have a racially unequal (though improving, albeit too slowly) society, there are no saints among great nations.

The point is in trying to live up to the ideals. If we compare to other great powers, I think we do better than most historically. As long as we keep moving toward universal human rights and freedom, however imperfectly, I’m on board.

Re:Homeland Security Was Destined to Become a Secret Police ... by leafboi on Sunday July 26, 2020 @12:52PM (#23958340)
China's goal is to build a cohesive economic powerhouse that functions as a unified whole. Unification at the cost of less individual freedoms. Given the current pandemic no doubt China is handling it better than the US as a result of their centralized control.

The US on the other hand values more individual freedoms at the cost of less cohesion and greater division. No doubt this is what's causing the current influx of Karen's refusing to wear masks. The hatred you see towards these people on YouTube is literally enforced in china. You don't wear a mask in china, you're fucked, nobody dares do such a thing.

Rather then fighting some patriotic flamewar I'd prefer HN viewers to have a more logical nonbiased view point and call it apples and oranges, but alas this is not the case. America has to be the best, especially when compared to China.