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Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by SaltyLemonZest on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:36AM (#23940750)
It's hard to identify which practices are responsible for which outcomes. Suppose you wanted to combine the high happiness rate of Denmark with the low crime rate of Japan; how would you figure out which are the policies you need to accomplish that?
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by legopelle on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:33PM (#23941481)
There is research, and it's pretty intuitive. Create stability. Reduce income inequality. Focus spending on social programs. Help people out of addiction, crime, give them a network, healthcare, education and jobs. People who cannot work need funding. Enough to live a dignified life. People are happy when they don't have to worry. People who are happy with the system doesn't really commit crime.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by hogFeast on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:06PM (#23941889)
Why has no-one thought of this before?
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Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by gpanders on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:51PM (#23942458)
> Americans tend to reject it entirely out of hand as it smells like vile socialism to them.

This is a bit too reductionist. I'd wager that most Americans agree that these are worthwhile goals, but many are skeptical that empowering the government is the best way to achieve these ends.

Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by erentz on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:24PM (#23945856)
On concrete policies along these lines many poll in the majority. They don’t get implemented not because the American people are against them (they’re often for them) but because powerful interests are against them. (Corporations and some portion of the very wealthy.)

Just as a recent example of the influence of money here, there was a vote to reduce defense budget (which is at record highs) by 10% and reallocate that money. It was voted down. But those that voted against the reduction got 3.4x as much money from the defense industry as those that voted for the cut.

The same dynamic plays out on issues like single payer health care, with those against it getting major contributions from health insurance lobbyists who want to defend the status quo even while the policy has a large majority approval across both democrats and republicans (and a whopping 88% approval among Democrats).

[1] https://readsludge.com/2020/07/22/dems-voting-against-pentag...

Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by krapp on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:02PM (#23942597)
>but many are skeptical that empowering the government is the best way to achieve these ends.

That just seems like a rejection of socialism with extra words.

Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by int_19h on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:14PM (#23946357)
Not really. There's a lot of debate on the role of government within socialist circles themselves, and there are many socialists that are skeptical of the idea that you can implement socialism top-down, without it becoming either totalitarian, or a form of collectivist capitalism where the ruling elites collectively own the means of production and collect economic rents from the rest.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by caiobegotti on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:44AM (#23940847)
We can surely agree that cheap wide good education has to be one of the policies necessary for that, yet it's quite ignored even in some rich countries.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by malandrew on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:14PM (#23941215)
A big problem is that many educators and school boards treat education as indoctrination. i.e. "Teach people what to think"

The real goal of education is to teach people how to think. Logic, rhetoric, analysis, scientific method, how to identify logical fallacies, understanding statistics, falsifiable theories, analyzing history not only through secondary sources, but actively seeking out primary sources to corroborate secondary sources, so on and so forth.

A useful education for a healthy well-functioning society is about inquiry, not regurgitation.

Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by SpicyLemonZest on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:18PM (#23941267)
There's near-universal agreement that education should be cheap and wide and good. The question is which policies best accomplish those goals. Should we add vocational high schools like Denmark has, where teachers can focus on practical skills since it's already been decided the students won't go to college? Should we add 60 more days to the school year and universal high school admission tests like they do in Japan?
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by voisin on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:53PM (#23943732)
These are the kinds of questions that need to be studied and answered. But instead, politicians just say “‘Murica is #1” and leave it at that. The platitudes need to stop. We need some policy wonk technocrats to take over government.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by SpicyLemonZest on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:08PM (#23943882)
I don't think this is something we can blame on the politicians, though. People got grumpy enough about Common Core; imagine how much worse it would go over if a school district announced that it was going to transition towards rote learning.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by cgriswald on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:16PM (#23941249)
I can't agree with that, no. "Cheap wide good education" is not a policy. What policies need to be set to achieve it?
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by voisin on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:47AM (#23940884)
I agree. There are many practices common to countries reporting high levels of happiness that Americans (And certainly other western nations) ignore seemingly on principle.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by jmaygarden on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:07PM (#23941141)
How should the United States address this issue given that it is usually in the top 5 with spending on public education per student every year?
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by take_a_breath on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:38PM (#23941539)
We would have to analyze the actual distribution of that spend. When this is done, we see wealthier places have higher spending per capita because public schools in the US are funded primarily by property taxes.
Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by disgruntledphd2 on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:27PM (#23942133)
Yeah, and local property taxes, at that.

I mean, if I were designing a system to reinforce inequality in districts and schools, local property taxes would be first on my list of policies.

Re:The Covid-19 pandemic is forcing a rethink in macroeconomics by brnt on Saturday July 25, 2020 @06:19AM (#23948042)
One of the thing Americans do differently is setting up systems for inequality from the get go. First past the post voting, but also using education to produce/select 'winners', rather than use it as a tool for equality. One could say this is a choice and there's no wrong way to make it, but to me it seems clear that it is the root cause for many of the issues in the US. I think superstar systems and mentality necessarily produces inequality and inequality necessarily produces problems.