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Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by Fjolsvith on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:20AM (#23939110)
> The question begs itself: can a democracy with no independent, local press be considered a democracy still?

The press doesn't have to be a centralized, edited company. Citizens can report news independent and locally.

Indeed, this type of journalism is resistant to the oppression of government, and the bias of media conglomerates.

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by culturestate on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:50AM (#23939452)
David Simon (creator of The Wire) has what I think is a good take[1] on why an organized, professional media is important:

> "But democratized and independent though they may be, you do not — in my city — run into bloggers or so-called citizen journalists at City Hall, or in the courthouse hallways or at the bars and union halls where police officers gather. You do not see them consistently nurturing and then pressing sources. You do not see them holding institutions accountable on a daily basis...I'm offended to think that anyone, anywhere believes American monoliths as insulated, self-preserving, and self-justifying as police departments, school systems, legislatures, and chief executives can be held to gather facts by amateurs pursuing the task without compensation, training, or, for that matter, sufficient standing to make public officials even care who it is they're lying to or who they're withholding information from."

There are, of course, very smart and well-qualified bloggers and indie journalists, but they're relatively few and far between. The institutions of journalism matter more than most people realize, if for no other reason than people have to be paid to put in the time to do the job.

1. https://votesmart.org/public-statement/422651/hearing-of-the...

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by atonse on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:25AM (#23939169)
Citizens are doing this with what spare time and what spare income? And with no backing of a larger entity if they get lawsuits?

There’s a need for well funded journalistic organizations everywhere. Well funded (and independent) being the key because people have to eat.

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by bmcn2020 on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:23AM (#23939139)
> The press doesn't have to be a centralized, edited company. Citizens can report news independent and locally.

Citizens can, but the quality and length would for the most part be short and incidental (outbreaks, viral videos, etc.)

But in-depth investigations, into corruption, into nation-wide, critical issues, will usually require dedicated staff with budgets. Can't place that on a citizen's shoulders

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by intended on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:30AM (#23939222)
In all fields, there is work that is necessary but not fun. Money/incentives are needed to bridge that gap.
Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by phoe-krk on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:30AM (#23939226)
> Indeed, this type of journalism is resistant to the oppression of government, and the bias of media conglomerates.

And to being self-sustaining, because no one pays the reporters to actually do their job and to verify their sources or be verified.

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by kreetx on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:46AM (#23939396)
Yes, but do you know of any good examples?

In open-source this seems to work (i.e many free contributions make up a good whole), but in journalism I'm not sure.

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by rbanffy on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:11AM (#23939718)
The barrier of entry to journalism is much higher. We don't need to spend days hounding a politician, perusing archives, handling sources, cross-checking information and doing all the (sometimes dangerous) legwork an investigative journalist needs to do.

When I write open source, my primary information sources are right at my monitor.

Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by DFHippie on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:16AM (#23939775)
One problem with relying on this is that it throws the door open to state-funded trolls posing as independent citizen journalists.
Re:Editorial board of Index and more than 70 staff members r... by ClumsyPilot on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:39AM (#23939320)
So basically Twitter?