Do you have evidence that everyone so far abducted in Portland has been set free, and further such kidnappings curtailed? Or are you instead arguing that the behavior of the US federal government in this circumstance merits a presumption of innocence?

I'm saying i'm not going to get outraged by simply imagined transgressions, there's going to have to be some evidence. The irony is, i'm not a hard line law and order type. I believe there should be some resistance to the prevailing authoritarian mood.

But I refuse to embrace hyperbolic rhetoric, it isn't helpful, call a spade a spade.

So, the second one, then.

Are you saying you're not a racist? Do you have any evidence to prove you're not secretly penning racist content across the web under a pseudonym? Prove that you're innocent.

Or should people wait to judge you until there is some actual evidence?

So, the second one then.

Yes, of course. The videos and accounts of illegal arrests and detentions out of Portland are all fake, of course. Or, at the very least, they don't show what they purport to show.

Do you hear yourself? At all?

Do you hear yourself? At All?

There is evidence of government officials arresting people-- that is not in dispute. All that is in dispute is if it should be characterized as kidnapping or something akin to what is going on in HK with mass detention centers and reeducation camps.

I've lost track of what you're even objecting to at this point, but I for one never denied that there are arrests going on in Portland. If you want to claim they're illegal by all means talk to a lawyer, just see if you can manage to avoid pretending they're kidnappings in the meantime.

Guantanamo Bay. “Terrorists” are sent there and lose all constitutional rights while they’re there.

If you're claiming that people from Portland are being sent to Guantanamo Bay, you're going to have to offer some evidence.

The parent I was responding to claims there's no evidence that the US has ever "disappeared" people with no rights. My point is simply a counter to that.

No. The claim was that there is zero evidence that has happened to anyone in Portland. We're talking about how to characterize the arrests made in Portland, not US foreign policy.