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Re:Who gets invited to the party? by xmprt on Thursday July 23, 2020 @11:55PM (#23935546)
In case you're genuinely asking, the answer is yes and I don't know why it wouldn't be. There are so many reasons that a high school math team would only be filled with Asians and white males and "because there's a lack of qualified minorities" is at the bottom of that list. Maybe there aren't enough minority students encouraged to engage in STEM activities or maybe toxic people like you make them uninterested.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by exolymph on Friday July 24, 2020 @03:04AM (#23936585)
So Asians don't count as minorities anymore?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by icelancer on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:07AM (#23936952)
No, Asian-Americans count as minorities when white people want to throw them under the bus (Kung Flu, China Virus) but not when we're talking about unsuccessful-due-to-discrimination minorities, and thus earn the ire of white people that way, too.

This way the conservative and liberal prejudiced people can both hate that group equally, and for different reasons.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by darepublic on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:22AM (#23935705)
I remember in high school my mom forcing me to join the math club, as she knew the teacher there. There were mostly Asians there. I don't think you could have paid most kids to be on that most unpopular of clubs. I stayed for as long as I had to in order to please Mom, then bounced. Other kids, if they were popular, were probably having a much more enjoyable high school experience -- a lot more black kids were in this 'popular' social group than in math club-- guess what -- completely by choice! And guess who I envied more and was denied entrance to -- yes the cream of the social crop. I guess you would like to find those Asians who just happened to like math for some nerdy reason, strip them of their jobs and give them to whomever you consider to be a minority/victim?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mjfl on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:24PM (#23942872)
You got downvoted, but it's very clear to me that the reason students avoid math club is because it is unglamorous, not that it is hostile to them.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by lurkmurk on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:40AM (#23937868)
Follow up: given the answer is yes, how to solve it? Allow under performing students in?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by concordDance on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:30AM (#23937102)
Yes.

Though it could easily be a pipeline-to-the-school problem.

Maybe the best whites went to another school? Maybe only the best Asians came to the USA?

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bsder on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:37AM (#23935779)
Yes, quite possibly.

I had to practically threaten my best student (a female) to get her to go to a programming competition.

At which she proceeded to beat 80% of the teams by herself by answering 4 of the 10 problems outright. And then the rest of the team answered 2 more. They did quite well.

Her response: "That was fun. I'm pretty good at this."

<facepalm> Yeah, that's why I made you go.

I didn't shove her there because she was a female, I shoved her there because she was BY FAR the best student in my class. And the first time she showed up for a competition prep meeting, it was stupidly obvious just how much better she was than the rest of the team.

Some professor gave all of those students on the team a shove to get them there. Other professors had her as a student. None of them gave her a push to go do the competition. Why not?

That's the kind of thing that fills or drains the pipeline.

And that was college, a point where women finally aren't quite so worried about peer pressure. I imagine if I was teaching high school, I probably would have had to pull her parents in to exert enough pressure to make her go.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mjfl on Friday July 24, 2020 @02:27PM (#23942905)
Your student didn't want to be involved in programming competitions because they are unglamorous, not because the environment was hostile to her, as your story demonstrates.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bsder on Saturday July 25, 2020 @01:07AM (#23946990)
My student didn't want to be involved with a programming competition because she didn't know:

1) She was an amazingly good programmer relative to the field.

2) Programming competitions can be fun.

It's MY job as her senior to impart that knowledge.

The fact that no other professor imparted that knowledge is a problem--she should have had several professors imparting this knowledge. The fact this was not true shows that such things as "competition teams" are NOT meritocracies.