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Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by bumby on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:21PM (#23929728)
I agree it can be demoralizing but what you've presented takes the perspective that you are just a victim to an organization rather than part of that organization.

>That's just the way it is, John.

Maybe you didn't communicate the value of moving faster that speaks to your boss's incentives.

>Sorry John, QA will never sign off.

Maybe you didn't show QA how the improved workflow actually improves the quality of the work

>Man, I hear ya, John. What a stupid project. But that VP has the ear of the Board.

Maybe you can find a way for that VP to get credit for that 30% reduction in waste

>Let's put that in your development plan for 2022. We need to knock out Project X.

Maybe you can take a lead in project X so you can build the trust needed to be given a role in design with more responsibility

I know these can come off as glib, but the point is that sitting on the sidelines talking about how things can't get done only ensures things won't get done.

Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by paloaltokid on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:27PM (#23929794)
Having done transformation work for the last 4 years I can tell you...the individual employee will almost certainly literally die of exhaustion before they see meaningful change.
Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by allenu on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:06PM (#23930278)
Yup. I haven't done that type of work, but I feel like to make change at a large company you need to be okay with imperfection all around you first and then find one or two things that could actually make a huge impact. Trying to fix little things here and there is just an exercise in futility.
Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by bumby on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:38PM (#23930679)
I can commiserate with this attitude but still find myself disagreeing. I have worked in the type of role where I was expected to lead a transformational change when it seems like the incentives at every level are aligned against it.

I do personally feel an obligation to keep trying because if I didn't I'm not doing my job. Throwing up my hands in exasperation means I'm collecting a pay check just to keep the status quo. That makes me part of the problem as well as resigning myself to be miserable. I think we owe it to ourselves and the organization to move on if we get to that point.

Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by alrs on Thursday July 23, 2020 @06:42PM (#23933504)
> I have worked in the type of role where I was expected to lead a transformational change.

Most roles have nothing to do with leading transformational change. You can concede that much?

Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by bumby on Thursday July 23, 2020 @07:22PM (#23933911)
Yes, but the comment I was replying to specifically spoke to the exhausting nature of transformation change
Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by bumby on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:31PM (#23929847)
I think the saying is “frustration is a failure to manage expectations”.

I think often we get into organizations overestimating the impact we’ll have. It seems our impact can be inversely proportional to the size of the company. But that may be an artifact of how we define “meaningful change”

Re:Ask HN: Is all of FAANG like this? by unethical_ban on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:14PM (#23930375)
I have tried - and though I still push, I still call out the craziness, it truly isn't worth the effort.

It's like politics, but at least political change and civil rights are worth some mental exhaustion.