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Re:Q2 2020 Update by bryanlarsen on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @07:08PM (#23922546)
> All that said, Tesla also doesn’t build and sell cars profitably. Selling credits is the source of their profits.

GAAP gross margin is 21%. They're making excellent profits on their cars.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by shuckles on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @07:15PM (#23922597)
There are a lot of accounting choices that go into gross margin, and a forensic accountant could dedicate a year to understand the various shell games played by car companies between financing, depreciation on equipment, and warranty.

So as a simple matter, it helps to double check the reported gross margin against EBIDTA. And with that measure, my comment stands: Tesla’s reported profits depend on continuing to sell regulatory credits.

Re:Q2 2020 Update by bryanlarsen on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @07:55PM (#23922823)
Sure, if you assume fraud then anything goes. But barring that, GAAP is a well tested metric. It's been often gamed and then patched to plug the holes.
Re:Q2 2020 Update by shuckles on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @08:13PM (#23922923)
I never assumed fraud. My comment is true of car companies generally.