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Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by bitdotdash on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:36PM (#23920153)
Nice forward progress on the search for a preventative treatment. Also TIL bad gum health can lead to colon cancer. So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ekianjo on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:24PM (#23921189)
> So counter intuitive. runs off to brush teeth

Brushing teeth excessively can/will cause bleeding gums which is exactly what you should be trying to avoid.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by mgr86 on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:48PM (#23920271)
anecdotally one of the few things I remember about my maternal grandmother was that she implored us to take care of our teeth, and that she died of colon cancer :(

Wonder if she was on to something?

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by lazyjones on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:18PM (#23920551)
It's not far-fetched to say that if you have bad teeth, you will chew worse and your digestion might suffer as a consequence.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by layoutIfNeeded on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:42PM (#23920761)
Can lead to or correlates?
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by wyldfire on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:17PM (#23921128)
IIUC, the article claims 'leads to':

> The belief, in both colon cancer and pregnancy complications, is that the bacterium migrates from the mouth into the bloodstream (bleeding gums) and from there into other organs.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ekianjo on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:26PM (#23921203)
It does not claim such a thing. It's written "the belief...".
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:11PM (#23920488)
Brushing and flossing does also damage your gums depending on the force and utility. Thats worst then doing nothing because now bacteria can enter your blood stream and hitch a ride to the other parts of the body.

Much better option is to not eat carbs which universally damage teath.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ssijak on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:45PM (#23920795)
Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:29PM (#23921224)
You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved:

- we eat simple carbs a lot now

- we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content

- we eat carbs constantly, year after year

- we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C

i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by smileypete on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:21PM (#23922233)
Boiled skin-on potatoes are good; complex carbs, Vitamin C and B6, potassium, fibre, water, but maybe lacking in hipster value.

Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise.

When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by specialist on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:34PM (#23921275)
- we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:44PM (#23921367)
While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by specialist on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:51PM (#23921428)
I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.

FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:07PM (#23921589)
> I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.

Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time...

> FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet

Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by blaser-waffle on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:23PM (#23921181)
We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything.

I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by jacobkania on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#23921316)
Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal.

The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day.

http://sugarstacks.com/

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ssijak on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:04AM (#23924079)
You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by leviathant on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#23921309)
I think things are more complex than "brushing and flossing damages your gums depending on force and utility" because I've got wisdom teeth that I've been forcibly brushing for decades in the interest of making my gumline recede and it just. doesn't. work.

I also eat carbs like they're going out of style. At least one serving every day, minimum. I've also had an insatiable sweet tooth for most of my life, although that tapered off into my mid-30s.

I went fourteen years without seeing a dentist, and when I finally went in, aside from serious plaque buildup, my teeth and gums were in fantastic shape. It may have something to do with the fact that I drink skim milk like a toddler - about two gallons a week.

I will say, one effect that dairy and carbs has on my oral hygiene is that they promote the formation of tonsililoths - but once I was turned on to using a tongue scraper, that problem disappeared completely.

How did I go 14 years without a dentist and end up with great teeth anyway? Avoid sugary carbonated beverages, I floss with Plackers, I brush daily with an electric toothbrush and a baking soda/peroxide toothpaste, I use a tongue scraper, and I rinse with & gargle Listerene.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:54PM (#23921460)
You are probably one of the rare protected people (my wife is one of them). Genetics may play a role (high number and/or diversity of certain salivary enzymes related to carb digestion) along with some life choices (such as excessive milk).
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ssully on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:40PM (#23921321)
Literally no dentist would agree with this.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by pstuart on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:59PM (#23920387)
And floss too!