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Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ssijak on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:45PM (#23920795)
Yeah sure, carbs are the ultimate devil in todays hipster keto obsessed world. There is just a slight problem that in short they were never a problem during our history when you eat unprocessed whole foods.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:29PM (#23921224)
You are not thinking this right. The carb landscape changed quite a bit compared to the time our teeth evolved:

- we eat simple carbs a lot now

- we selected fruit for generations based on sugar content

- we eat carbs constantly, year after year

- we ingest less of protective substances like Vitamin C

i.e. you can't just prefix a thing with 'hipster' and call it a day.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by smileypete on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @06:21PM (#23922233)
Boiled skin-on potatoes are good; complex carbs, Vitamin C and B6, potassium, fibre, water, but maybe lacking in hipster value.

Simple carbs are great for physical activity in proportionate amounts, but fairly terrible otherwise.

When I had a heavy manual job I'd come home, have a cold beer then knock back a litre of orange juice, probably containing 100g/4oz of sugar. Seemed to go to muscle glycogen though occasionally I'd rush :-)

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by specialist on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:34PM (#23921275)
- we eat much less dietary fiber (generally)
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:44PM (#23921367)
While that is true, its uncertain how dietary fiber would influence this. Since bacteria can only digest it, it might be feeding the pathogen. It also reduces the acid barrier so it makes stomach survivable.
Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by specialist on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:51PM (#23921428)
I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.

FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet; less dairy and a lot more grains and beans. And Dr Lustig says fiber blocks metabolism of fructose.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by majkinetor on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:07PM (#23921589)
> I'd like to know. Please share whatever you've learned.

Wouldn't we all :) If I share what I learned, we will be here a very long time...

> FWIW I've lowered my LDL thru diet

Its entirely different context that has no relevance to the topic. Eating fiber anywayz is akin to eating fat AFAIK as colon bacteria digest it into short SFA.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by blaser-waffle on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:23PM (#23921181)
We're eating wayyyy more carbs relative to our ancestors. Refined sugar is in everything.

I never thought about it until my wife measured a teaspoon of sugar -- it's 5g. Now when I look at things like protein bars or Starbucks drinks and see 35g sugar I do a spit-take.

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by jacobkania on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#23921316)
Yeah I think most carbs that you’ll eat are pretty OK (grains), but just the volume of sugar in most things unreal.

The daily suggested limit of sugar is ~50g. Which is already a lot if you look at the volume of it all. But then consider a single can of soda is around that much. Bottles are around 75g. There are people who have 3+ sodas a day.

http://sugarstacks.com/

Re:Bacteria and Colon Cancer by ssijak on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:04AM (#23924079)
You missed the word "unprocessed" in my post that you replied to. Of course that the processed junk is not good. Nobody is saying that Starbucks "coffee" with ungodly amount of sugar or any similar thing is good for you.