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Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by kkolanm on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:54PM (#23919685)
A wealthy black person can easily start their own business. They may have some advantages and disadvantages vs a wealthy white person but nothing can stop them doing it. They have money. A wealthy Black person is a “have” not a “have not.” A poor white person cannot use their whiteness to pay the bills. Ask millions of white people why they work shitty jobs if you think being white solves economic problems.

They can’t stop working their shifty job to participate in YC if they lowered their investment. A wealthy black founder very obviously could. Clearly the deciding factor is socioeconomic and not race.

So you’re just wrong to talk about racial diversity when the issue is clearly socioeconomic diversity.

The absolute proof is that increased economic diversity necessarily results in increased racial diversity. Contrarily, increased racial diversity does not necessarily result in socioeconomic diversity.

Because one is the root cause of the other.

Your thinking is what leads to “diverse” organizations where many racial and gender groups are represented but they’re all rich people that attended Ivy League schools. And that is not diversity by any meaningful definition. It does nothing to alleviate systemic unfairness.

Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by steffandroid on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:38PM (#23921306)
> A wealthy black person can easily start their own business.

Certainly, but black people are disproportionately less wealthy than white people, so are far less likely to be in that position.

> A poor white person cannot use their whiteness to pay the bills.

This is also true, but they will not face the structural racial discrimination that a black person of their socio-economic standing would.

The trouble with reducing issues of inequality to class alone is that it obscures the systemic biases that make it easier for white dudes to become rich in the first place.

Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by awillen on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:02PM (#23919778)
Please show me some organizations that are a bunch of rich white people who all attended Ivy League schools but are otherwise highly diverse (race, gender, etc.).

That's the problem - you're talking in theory (obviously there are rich black people and they have resources) while ignoring practical reality, which is that race and socioeconomic status are highly correlated to the point where you can't just magically ignore the latter and somehow equitably deal with the former.

Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by krzyk on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:31PM (#23920667)
> highly diverse (race, gender, etc.).

Why do you think that race and gender = diverse? They just have different races and gender, but might think the same way = not diverse.

Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by awillen on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:50PM (#23920841)
He literally used the example of groups that are diverse by race and gender by everyone is rich and went to Ivy League schools. Thus the request for an example along those lines.
Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by cameronbrown on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:40PM (#23920190)
Correlation is not causation, HN should know this. The problem is down to injustices from long ago, and a lack of ability to build generational wealth stemming from that historical racism. It doesn't mean that race is the defining factor.
Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by awillen on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:51PM (#23920853)
You literally just pointed out the causation that is the lack of ability to build generational wealth stemming from historical racism.
Re:Y Combinator has lost its soul: A YC founder's perspective by cameronbrown on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @05:37PM (#23921886)
The effects of racism from 100 years ago isn't necessarily considered racism today, since the socioeconomic component is the key factor hurting these communities today, not race.