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Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by Dwolb on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @10:00AM (#23917042)
What’s missing from all these online courses is a sense of community. The forums are ok but they’re not very vibrant.

For an example of a vibrant community, I’d look toward what video games, such as Rocket League, have created.

Players have a specific ranking based on competition stats. They level up when they when a sufficient number of games within their ranking. Progression through the game doesn’t have to be a solo endeavor because players can look to the community for how to improve.

The community not on my celebrates wins and gives advice on losses, they offer free coaching that can result in paid tutoring [1].

Not only that, but on average the community members are positive and light-hearted.

I think other skill-based activities could learn a lot from how and why these communities function and incorporate those aspects into their platforms to help students succeed.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/hv2vus/coachi...

Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by read_if_gay_ on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @10:34AM (#23917439)
No doubt that the community around courses could be improved, but I think it's also a matter of enthusiasm. People are probably a lot more enthusiastic about Rocket League than about some online degree. (Whether that's how it should be is a different issue...) Anyway, that naturally leads to higher participation in communities etc. So I don't know if online course makers even have that much influence over community building in the first place.
Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by Dwolb on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @10:36AM (#23917467)
For sure but then the question I would have is can we take cues from enthusiasm around Rocket League and bring those into the community?

The real time ranking system I think is the root of a lot of this. It allows people to know where they stand and they can look to the community on how to improve their game.

Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by fsociety on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:32AM (#23918097)
I think gamification is a misunderstanding of why communities are built around games and people encouraged to improve their skills to rank up.

Instead why not organize a catch-all chat for people to talk, like a Discord. Let people talk off-topic and organize to play games and such as a class if they want.

Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by cylentwolf on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @10:48AM (#23917608)
I think a real time ranking system for students at a university that is visible by all is just going to be targeted for greedy or ambitious people looking to convert it into jobs or money. If I am in the top 10 percent of the rankings in Rocket League sure I can make a few grand streaming, but if I am in the top 10 percent of rankings at a school I can get a better job than the rest. What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point?
Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by Dwolb on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:46AM (#23918238)
> What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point?

I think that's a great point but one that the Rocket League community somehow solves.

Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by CrazyStat on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:12PM (#23918546)
With very few exceptions, everyone who plays Rocket League is playing it because they find it intrinsically rewarding. When I taught intro stats I'd guess less than 2% of my students were studying stats because they found it intrinsically rewarding. Even when you get into upper level classes, even among graduate students, the percentage who are taking a class for the intrinsic reward rarely approaches 100%.

Trying to make education more like Rocket League, ignoring the wildly divergent motivations of the people involved, is a fool's errand.

Re:Online classes are not worth cost of full tuition by Dwolb on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:44PM (#23920224)
But where does intrinsic motivation come from?

What are the objective differences between getting better at Rocket League and getting better at stats?

Agreed if we don't understand or create a basic framework, trying to put lipstick on a pig and making stats look like Rocket League is dumb.