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Re:Nothingness (2017) by Schiphol on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:18AM (#23914429)
It's not likely that the author of the article on nothingness in the most important academic encyclopedia of philosophy is missing the point of the 'something rather than nothing' question.
Re:Nothingness (2017) by mmazing on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:30AM (#23915038)
Throw everything else away.

There are two possibilities -

1. There is something, and it has always existed. 2. There is something, and it once did not exist.

Either one is weird.

The author doesn't address this, and I feel, despite their sparkling credentials, that they should have.

Re:Nothingness (2017) by Schiphol on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:44AM (#23915106)
Perhaps you'd be interested in the entry on the philosophy of cosmology, section 3 in particular: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cosmology/#OrigUniv
Re:Nothingness (2017) by jedimind on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:37AM (#23915066)
It's actually just 1., because 2. just rerolls the question, what caused that something to begin existing?
Re:Nothingness (2017) by naringas on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @10:41AM (#23917505)
but why should it be a matter of causing something to begin exising? maybe it's also about not preventing anything from existing?
Re:Nothingness (2017) by jedimind on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:00PM (#23919055)
Because it violates the principal of causality ( it also violates common sense, ex nihilo nihil fit).
Re:Nothingness (2017) by jedimind on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @03:18AM (#23914701)
That's a fallacious argument, you're just appealing to authority.
Re:Nothingness (2017) by Schiphol on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:00AM (#23914904)
One needs to trade off whatever risk there is of fallacious reasoning based on authority with the epistemic dangers of not having the appropriate awareness of, and respect for expertise.
Re:Nothingness (2017) by mistermann on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:15PM (#23919257)
It may be useful to do this, but it is not necessary.

Two downfalls of this approach that I see:

1. It increases the likelihood of believing things to be true, that are not actually known to be true

2. Since these things are not known to be true, it can increase societal polarization, because some others are able to see and elaborate that it is actually not known, and this can lead to "warring" tribes, who seem to often let isolated disagreements bleed into their behavior on unrelated matters, such as how they perceive others, or how they vote at the ballot box.

A lot of people seem concerned about the results of #2, but very few people seem to be interested (to put it nicely) in the underlying cause(s).

Conclusions like "It is not conclusively known one way or the other...but all things considered, <x> seems like the most reasonable estimate until we receive more data" are not only possible, but superior, in my opinion.

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Re:Nothingness (2017) by Schiphol on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @04:15AM (#23914960)
I'd also advise you not to put such faith on the informal fallacies. They are not as useful as you seem to think.