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Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by armitron on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:11PM (#23911904)
Having lived in four different US states and in a number of European countries (currently resident in Germany), all I can say is good riddance.

USPS is by far the worst mail service I have ever encountered. It's so bad that there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that one can do a lot better, assuming one is allowed to compete. And even though they proudly say they receive NO money from the federal government, they do receive subsidies in the hundreds of millions.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by jdm2212 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:14PM (#23911929)
What do you find lacking in USPS?

My experience with other countries is Israel and Russia's postal systems, which are both notoriously bad at actually delivering mail. USPS doesn't ever seem to lose my mail, and stuff gets to where I send it in ~3 days, so I've always been a happy customer.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by schnable on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:27PM (#23912038)
USPS is a disaster in Philly. Mail and packages don't get delivered, the tracking is a lie ("attempted delivery" when they haven't etc.), and it's impossible to get any customer service at all because the the escalation path is to a local postmaster with a full voicemail inbox.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by loeg on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:32PM (#23912076)
Ah, sounds like Fedex and DHL in Seattle.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by armitron on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:18PM (#23911960)
What they don't seem to lose is priority mail (I'm assuming it's actually tracked in a way that counts). They have lost plenty of my regular mail.

Not to mention consistently misdelivering my mail to other mailboxes. One time, I had to escalate all the way to the region supervisor before I found someone that would actually hear me out. The general attitude seems to be one of incompetence and total indifference.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by _emacsomancer_ on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:14PM (#23911931)
All of the other major delivery services in the US (UPS, FedEx, DHL, Ontrac) are horrible and far worse than the USPS. And without the USPS to compete against, they'd be even worse.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by RodgerTheGreat on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:18PM (#23911959)
To say nothing of the fact that other delivery services frequently rely upon USPS for last-mile delivery in more rural (read: less- or un-profitable) areas, and those areas would simply not be served by a privatized postal service.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by _emacsomancer_ on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:31PM (#23912072)
Yes, without the USPS lots of people would have to drive into the nearest town to get anything, and presumably letters would become completely cost-prohibitive to send even to people in cities.

But even setting these things aside, USPS is almost always a better experience as either sender or receiver than any of the other competitors in the US.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by variaga on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:39PM (#23912139)
FedEx "SmartPost" and UPS "SurePost" are both basically "drop your package off with FedEx/UPS, and they'll put it in the regular mail for you".
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by abruzzi on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:21PM (#23911988)
And the bigger deal (to me) is that none of the competitors are really competitors in the key area of the USPS--first class mail delivery. Can UPS, FedEX deliver a letter (or a bill, or check, or...) for $0.55?
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by trothamel on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:29PM (#23912052)
Given that they're forbidden by law from doing so (without first paying the postage to the USPS), no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Express_Statutes

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by runako on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:22PM (#23912493)
If I understand that correctly, one of the private carriers should be offering to deliver letters at ~$1.10 per ($0.55 to USPS plus $0.55 internal cost). The closest I've seen is closer to $10.

The USPS tithe isn't the bottleneck, but it would definitely make sense to unwind once a private carrier could break the $2/letter barrier.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by joshstrange on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:00PM (#23912296)
Do you honestly think any private company would offer services like that to EVERY US address for $0.55/per?
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by variaga on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:34PM (#23912096)
Anecdotally, I lived in one place where I never got a _single_ FedEx package correctly delivered of the dozens that were sent to me.

This was a normal apartment, in a normal apartment building, in a fairly nice part of town. The only way I ever got a Fedex package (several were sent back as "undeliverable") was if I knew it was coming in advance, to go online with the tracking # and instruct them to hold the delivery for me at the local Fedex office. Then I could pick it up in person.

Fortunately, the local Fedex office was only 2 blocks away from my apartment on the same street.

USPS delivered 100% of my letters and packages on time.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by Matticus_Rex on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:17PM (#23911954)
Worse in what way? I've always had better experiences with every one of their competitors.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by loeg on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:34PM (#23912095)
USPS has locked mailboxes at the curb (in cities). In apartment buildings, the boxes may even be inside the building. The other deliverers don't do that. I've never had a USPS package stolen, because they either deliver it to the lockbox or to you.

UPS/Fedex/FBA/DHL just drop it in front of my house and don't even bother ringing the doorbell. It rains here a good amount and if you don't notice your ghost package fast, maybe it gets soaked through.

Fedex has lied to me multiple times about attempting delivery on days they never did.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by _emacsomancer_ on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:25PM (#23912023)
UPS, FedEx, DHL etc., when they aren't just completely scummy (lying about delivering something when they haven't; lying about delivery charges), take far longer to deliver packages and often leave them in completely arbitrary places - in the middle of the driveway, for instance.

Essentially none of the major commercial delivery services in the US seem to know anything about actually delivering packages.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by hendiatris on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:23PM (#23911999)
Please provide more detail. I find the USPS to be one of the best things about this country. Every morning I get an email with photos of the mail I will receive, and a listing of the packages that are coming my way. I can’t remember the last time they’ve ever lost anything of mine. I’m sure not everyone’s experience is like mine - I’m curious how they can be so bad that they create a sense of loathing.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by armitron on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:40PM (#23912144)
As I said, regularly losing mail. Regularly misdelivering mail. A lot of effort to get someone to even acknowledge the problem or even myself.

My mailbox stuffed with junk mail all the time (even if I have permanent sticker telling them not to do so). I've even talked to the USPS delivery person and told her not to do so. Next week, same issue. Rinse, repeat.

I've never, ever, ever had a problem with Fedex or UPS. They've been 100% professional and everytime I had to interact with them either on the phone or in a store, I always got good service. With USPS, this was the rare exception rather than the rule.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by binsh on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:11PM (#23912389)
It sounds like you personally have a beef with your mail carrier(s) and/or your local post office. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean the entire system is broken. My experience has been overwhelmingly positive, and it's a little selfish of you to celebrate the destruction of a government program that a lot of people who don't make FAANG salaries depend on for medication and bill paying. Seriously, where is the compassion?
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by ZekeSulastin on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:55PM (#23912257)
Speaking from my anecdata on both the retail customer and business customer side, if you've never had a problem with a given carrier you are damned lucky and should probably go buy lottery tickets.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by anfilt on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:42PM (#23912646)
I have lived in multiple places in the US, and never had problems with USPS. I have had troubles with Fedex, UPS, and DHL though.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by Cheyana on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:17PM (#23911956)
I can counter that. Here in Arizona, I have sent packages probably a few dozen times in 20 years and have never had an issue, and the post office near where I work is busy almost all day with people sending things, so their problem might just be consistency across all sites. Some sites may not do enough business to support their staff while others may take in more than enough.

Maybe they just need to reduce their footprint, and close underutilized sites.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by Avicebron on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:19PM (#23911966)
I think it's a slippery slope in eroding public services in favor of private corporations, instead of improving these systems we shouldn't let them die and allow monopolies to run rampant and become less and less competitive.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by klyrs on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:39PM (#23912133)
It's way worse in Canada. Similar arrangement where politicians love to gut its budget for short-term gains, and it lives in a weird category somewhere between business and utility. But delivery times (and reliability) are atrocious here in Canada.

In the US, I mailed something to my mom across town, and she got it the same day that I put it in the mailbox. I rarely saw a letter delivery take more than 2-3 days. Here in Canada, it may take over a week to send mail in the same province. Takes over a month when my mom sends me a letter from the US.

IMHO, they shouldn't get subsidies. They should be a public utility. They provide a necessary channel of communication between citizens and their goverment: taxes, passports, ballots, voter registration, etc. happen through USPS. In my experience (admittedly, I've been in Canada for a decade, so this is probably out of date) they've been much more reliable than any other shipping service, and I don't think any other private carrier does letter mail.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by spfzero on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:04PM (#23912337)
Just anecdote, but I probably mail about 100+ packages a year through USPS, about 40% to international addresses. Never had one fail to deliver. I always use USPS to ship, because it is reliable and the fees are reasonable.

Also receive lots of documents, periodicals, and packages through USPS, never had a problem there either, always in the mailbox or right at the front door. Of course I'd like to skip the junk mail.

USPS seems technically up-to-date as well, more or less. I can schedule pickups on-line, as well as buy and print postage. No complaints.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by enraged_camel on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:17PM (#23911952)
The USPS offers a unique combination of affordability and reliability that simply cannot be matched by the private sector.

Yes, it is subsidized. The reason is that being able to send and receive mail cheaply and reliably is the cornerstone of our society and our economic system.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by ralph84 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:26PM (#23912027)
I guess maybe you haven't enabled electronic statements for your accounts or something, but for me 99% of what I get from USPS is junk mail or online shopping deliveries. Not clear why either of those need to be subsidized.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by jschwartzi on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:30PM (#23912056)
They're not subsidized. USPS is required by law to pay its own way. This is a common misconception about USPS that is simply not true.

When people talk about International Mail being "subsidized" they're talking about EG treaty negotiations with China that force the USPS to receive international packages from China at significantly below cost. They then have to pass those costs onto the US consumer.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by Avicebron on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:33PM (#23912088)
Except demanding that all people in the US to be reliant on the successful use and ownership of a sufficiently reliable computing device is a very real form of discrimination. Arguments of cheapening electronics can be made, but just the issues that many people are having with remote learning is pretty strong evidence to the contrary.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by ralph84 on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:39PM (#23912129)
Subsidizing access to computing devices would be much more beneficial to society than subsidizing junk mail and online shopping.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by mthoms on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:21PM (#23912485)
Is it being subsidised though? Or is it actually the other way around?

I've not seen any citation which claims the junk mail part of the USPS is unprofitable.

To be clear, I hate junk mail. I've just seen this claim made a few times without citation.

Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by binsh on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @08:12PM (#23912406)
What is your problem with the USPS? You've been refuted several times in this thread, but you keep repeating blatant falsehoods.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by variaga on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:42PM (#23912159)
USPS is not subsidized. It has always been required to pay for itself through delivery fees.
Re:The Billionaire Behind Efforts to Kill the U.S. Postal Se... by dragonwriter on Tuesday July 21, 2020 @07:45PM (#23912184)
> USPS is not subsidized. It has always been required to pay for itself through delivery fees.

The USPS was founded in 1792 and became self-funded under the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 almost 200 years later, so, no, it hasn't “always” been required to pay for itself.